Discussion:
Mary Jane (lyrics)
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msifg
2009-01-18 08:02:52 UTC
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Mary Jane


If you could walk a mile in my shoes
you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
But when the rain falls down
and it doesn't make a sound
That's when you blame the way it fell.

I don't have to chose
if I've got nothing to lose.
I'll just sing the blues.

Goodbye Mary Jane.
If I never see you again
I hope you find what you're looking for.
Your love was sweet,
Swept me off my feet
and carried me on.


ArtiZnaam
2006


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Dale Houstman
2009-01-18 11:16:20 UTC
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msifg wrote:
> Mary Jane
>
>
> If you could walk a mile in my shoes
> you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
> But when the rain falls down
> and it doesn't make a sound
> That's when you blame the way it fell.

It's all rather awful, but that last line manages to combine utter
banality with a near-nonsensical awkwardness that borders on brain stroke.
>
> I don't have to chose
> if I've got nothing to lose.
> I'll just sing the blues.

I suppose you know that it's "choose"- the "eye rhyme" doesn't work in
song. And - as a chorus it's a flat-footed flop, lyrically and
rhythmically. I suppose once you lard on twenty four tracks of fuzz and
white noise it could end up being "Interstellar Overdrive" but - as a
thing to be posted on a poetry group - it's not even up to a tricycle
ride to the bottom of the stairs. Really quite childishly crude.
>
> Goodbye Mary Jane.
> If I never see you again
> I hope you find what you're looking for.
> Your love was sweet,
> Swept me off my feet
> and carried me on.
>
>
Echoes of other and far better songs (in this case Leonard Cohen & - in
the very first line - Dylan) only make this piece sound worse than it
already does, which is a minor miracle, i'll grant you.

Songs - like poetry - lean heavily on imagery, and (especially in song)
clever or evocative wordplay. This piece manages to avoid it all, and to
toss in faint wisps of inept thievery for good measure. It's so
irredeemably bereft of the virtues of lyrics, that it hurts to identify
them as such, like looking at the mangled corpse of a good friend and
reluctantly declaring it was he. But someone has to do it, so the family
can eventually move on with their lives. This stinks. DOA.

dmh
msifg
2009-01-18 11:49:55 UTC
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"Dale Houstman" <***@skypoint.com> wrote in message
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> msifg wrote:
>> Mary Jane
>>
>>
>> If you could walk a mile in my shoes
>> you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
>> But when the rain falls down
>> and it doesn't make a sound
>> That's when you blame the way it fell.
>
> It's all rather awful, but that last line manages to combine utter
> banality with a near-nonsensical awkwardness that borders on brain stroke.
>>
>> I don't have to chose
>> if I've got nothing to lose.
>> I'll just sing the blues.
>
> I suppose you know that it's "choose"- the "eye rhyme" doesn't work in
> song. And - as a chorus it's a flat-footed flop, lyrically and
> rhythmically. I suppose once you lard on twenty four tracks of fuzz and
> white noise it could end up being "Interstellar Overdrive" but - as a
> thing to be posted on a poetry group - it's not even up to a tricycle ride
> to the bottom of the stairs. Really quite childishly crude.
>>
>> Goodbye Mary Jane.
>> If I never see you again
>> I hope you find what you're looking for.
>> Your love was sweet,
>> Swept me off my feet
>> and carried me on.
>>
>>
> Echoes of other and far better songs (in this case Leonard Cohen & - in
> the very first line - Dylan) only make this piece sound worse than it
> already does, which is a minor miracle, i'll grant you.
>
> Songs - like poetry - lean heavily on imagery, and (especially in song)
> clever or evocative wordplay. This piece manages to avoid it all, and to
> toss in faint wisps of inept thievery for good measure. It's so
> irredeemably bereft of the virtues of lyrics, that it hurts to identify
> them as such, like looking at the mangled corpse of a good friend and
> reluctantly declaring it was he. But someone has to do it, so the family
> can eventually move on with their lives. This stinks. DOA.
>
> dmh


thanks for taking your personal time out
to "listen" to my song and leave feedback.

hope you have a great week.


matt
msifg
2009-01-18 13:03:11 UTC
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"Dale Houstman" <***@skypoint.com> wrote in message
news:***@skypoint.com...

>
> Songs - like poetry - lean heavily on imagery, and (especially in song)
> clever or evocative wordplay. This piece manages to avoid it all, and to
> toss in faint wisps of inept thievery for good measure. It's so
> irredeemably bereft of the virtues of lyrics, that it hurts to identify
> them as such, like looking at the mangled corpse of a good friend and
> reluctantly declaring it was he. But someone has to do it, so the family
> can eventually move on with their lives. This stinks. DOA.
>
> dmh


actually-
i have to defend one thing.

"thievery."

i really shouldn't let that one slide.

i contest that accusation.

that's defamatory.

i ask you to point to one song i ripped off
to the point of "thievery."

as musicians, we borrow from our influences.

i borrowed plenty in this song.

but to accuse me of the extreme would need
clarification.

thanks,

matt
Will Dockery
2009-01-18 16:20:22 UTC
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"msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
> "Dale Houstman" wrote:
>
> > Songs - like poetry - lean heavily on imagery, and (especially in song)
> > clever or evocative wordplay. This piece manages to avoid it all, and to
> > toss in faint wisps of inept thievery for good measure.

Plagiarism is a serious charge, and Matt should demand that you post proof,
a specific example, of "thievery".

In Usenet terms, "Post proof or s.t.f.u."

It's so
> > irredeemably bereft of the virtues of lyrics, that it hurts to identify
> > them as such, like looking at the mangled corpse of a good friend and
> > reluctantly declaring it was he. But someone has to do it, so the family
> > can eventually move on with their lives. This stinks. DOA.
> >
> > dmh
>
> actually-
> i have to defend one thing.
>
> "thievery."
>
> i really shouldn't let that one slide.
>
> i contest that accusation.
>
> that's defamatory.
>
> i ask you to point to one song i ripped off
> to the point of "thievery."
>
> as musicians, we borrow from our influences.
>
> i borrowed plenty in this song.
>
> but to accuse me of the extreme would need
> clarification.
>
> thanks,
>
> matt

He cites Cohen and Dylan as being the sources of the alleged "thievery" in
your poem. I'm very familiar with the works of both of these men, and the
closest comparison I can see would be Cohen's "So long, Marianne", which
isn't very close at all, really, and certainly not plagiarism.

Bernie Taupin's "Goodbye, Norma Jean" comes to mind, but that's just as
silly as whatever example Dale seems to be imagining.

Either way, it should be interesting to see how he explains his claim...
otherwise, his statement is nothing more than idle libel.

--
"Twilight Girl" and other song-poems by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
msifg
2009-01-18 17:20:59 UTC
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"Will Dockery" <will-dockery-***@knology.net> wrote in message
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>
> "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
>> "Dale Houstman" wrote:
>>
>> > Songs - like poetry - lean heavily on imagery, and (especially in song)
>> > clever or evocative wordplay. This piece manages to avoid it all, and
>> > to
>> > toss in faint wisps of inept thievery for good measure.
>
> Plagiarism is a serious charge, and Matt should demand that you post
> proof,
> a specific example, of "thievery".
>
> In Usenet terms, "Post proof or s.t.f.u."
>
> It's so
>> > irredeemably bereft of the virtues of lyrics, that it hurts to identify
>> > them as such, like looking at the mangled corpse of a good friend and
>> > reluctantly declaring it was he. But someone has to do it, so the
>> > family
>> > can eventually move on with their lives. This stinks. DOA.
>> >
>> > dmh
>>
>> actually-
>> i have to defend one thing.
>>
>> "thievery."
>>
>> i really shouldn't let that one slide.
>>
>> i contest that accusation.
>>
>> that's defamatory.
>>
>> i ask you to point to one song i ripped off
>> to the point of "thievery."
>>
>> as musicians, we borrow from our influences.
>>
>> i borrowed plenty in this song.
>>
>> but to accuse me of the extreme would need
>> clarification.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> matt
>
> He cites Cohen and Dylan as being the sources of the alleged "thievery" in
> your poem. I'm very familiar with the works of both of these men, and the
> closest comparison I can see would be Cohen's "So long, Marianne", which
> isn't very close at all, really, and certainly not plagiarism.
>
> Bernie Taupin's "Goodbye, Norma Jean" comes to mind, but that's just as
> silly as whatever example Dale seems to be imagining.
>
> Either way, it should be interesting to see how he explains his claim...
> otherwise, his statement is nothing more than idle libel.
>
> --
> "Twilight Girl" and other song-poems by Will Dockery:
> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>
>
>
>
>


i think his tabloid slut cheap shot commentary
style art reviewing has finally been exposed
for what it really is:

slanderous lies going for effect and entertainment.

he's a slimy, squirming little worm looking for
a hole.

actually, he's a "handle looking for a case."

hahahaha
Will Dockery
2009-01-18 17:37:59 UTC
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On Jan 18, 12:20 pm, "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
> "Will Dockery" wrote:
> > "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
> >> "Dale Houstman" wrote:
>
> >> > Songs - like poetry - lean heavily on imagery, and (especially in song)
> >> > clever or evocative wordplay. This piece manages to avoid it all, and
> >> > to
> >> > toss in faint wisps of inept thievery for good measure.
>
> > Plagiarism is a serious charge, and Matt should demand that you post
> > proof,
> > a specific example, of "thievery".
>
> > In Usenet terms, "Post proof or s.t.f.u."
>
> > It's so
> >> > irredeemably bereft of the virtues of lyrics, that it hurts to identify
> >> > them as such, like looking at the mangled corpse of a good friend and
> >> > reluctantly declaring it was he. But someone has to do it, so the
> >> > family
> >> > can eventually move on with their lives. This stinks. DOA.
>
> >> > dmh
>
> >> actually-
> >> i have to defend one thing.
>
> >> "thievery."
>
> >> i really shouldn't let that one slide.
>
> >> i contest that accusation.
>
> >> that's defamatory.
>
> >> i ask you to point to one song i ripped off
> >> to the point of "thievery."
>
> >> as musicians, we borrow from our influences.
>
> >> i borrowed plenty in this song.
>
> >> but to accuse me of the extreme would need
> >> clarification.
>
> >> thanks,
>
> >> matt
>
> > He cites Cohen and Dylan as being the sources of the alleged "thievery" in
> > your poem. I'm very familiar with the works of both of these men, and the
> > closest comparison I can see would be Cohen's "So long, Marianne", which
> > isn't very close at all, really, and certainly not plagiarism.
>
> > Bernie Taupin's "Goodbye, Norma Jean" comes to mind, but that's just as
> > silly as whatever example Dale seems to be imagining.
>
> > Either way, it should be interesting to see how he explains his claim...
> > otherwise, his statement is nothing more than idle libel.
>
> > --
> > "Twilight Girl" and other song-poems by Will Dockery:
> >http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>
> i think his tabloid slut cheap shot commentary
> style art reviewing has finally been exposed
> for what it really is:
>
> slanderous lies going for effect and entertainment.
>
> he's a slimy, squirming little worm looking for
> a hole.
>
> actually, he's a "handle looking for a case."
>
> hahahaha

As Manwolf put it yesterday:

"Don't massage the worms..."

--
"Shadowville Speedway Blues" and other songs:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Manwolf
2009-01-19 03:37:32 UTC
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Will Dockery wrote:
> On Jan 18, 12:20 pm, "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
>> "Will Dockery" wrote:
>>> "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> "Dale Houstman" wrote:
>>>>> Songs - like poetry - lean heavily on imagery, and (especially in song)
>>>>> clever or evocative wordplay. This piece manages to avoid it all, and
>>>>> to
>>>>> toss in faint wisps of inept thievery for good measure.
>>> Plagiarism is a serious charge, and Matt should demand that you post
>>> proof,
>>> a specific example, of "thievery".
>>> In Usenet terms, "Post proof or s.t.f.u."
>>> It's so
>>>>> irredeemably bereft of the virtues of lyrics, that it hurts to identify
>>>>> them as such, like looking at the mangled corpse of a good friend and
>>>>> reluctantly declaring it was he. But someone has to do it, so the
>>>>> family
>>>>> can eventually move on with their lives. This stinks. DOA.
>>>>> dmh
>>>> actually-
>>>> i have to defend one thing.
>>>> "thievery."
>>>> i really shouldn't let that one slide.
>>>> i contest that accusation.
>>>> that's defamatory.
>>>> i ask you to point to one song i ripped off
>>>> to the point of "thievery."
>>>> as musicians, we borrow from our influences.
>>>> i borrowed plenty in this song.
>>>> but to accuse me of the extreme would need
>>>> clarification.
>>>> thanks,
>>>> matt
>>> He cites Cohen and Dylan as being the sources of the alleged "thievery" in
>>> your poem. I'm very familiar with the works of both of these men, and the
>>> closest comparison I can see would be Cohen's "So long, Marianne", which
>>> isn't very close at all, really, and certainly not plagiarism.
>>> Bernie Taupin's "Goodbye, Norma Jean" comes to mind, but that's just as
>>> silly as whatever example Dale seems to be imagining.
>>> Either way, it should be interesting to see how he explains his claim...
>>> otherwise, his statement is nothing more than idle libel.
>>> --
>>> "Twilight Girl" and other song-poems by Will Dockery:
>>> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>> i think his tabloid slut cheap shot commentary
>> style art reviewing has finally been exposed
>> for what it really is:
>>
>> slanderous lies going for effect and entertainment.
>>
>> he's a slimy, squirming little worm looking for
>> a hole.
>>
>> actually, he's a "handle looking for a case."
>>
>> hahahaha
>
> As Manwolf put it yesterday:
>
> "Don't massage the worms..."

Let them flourish in dirt,
in the predictable cool dirt.
Where they will go on hooks
and be fed to soluble fish.
msifg
2009-01-20 00:25:06 UTC
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"msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Dale Houstman" <***@skypoint.com> wrote in message
> news:***@skypoint.com...
>
>>
>> Songs - like poetry - lean heavily on imagery, and (especially in song)
>> clever or evocative wordplay. This piece manages to avoid it all, and to
>> toss in faint wisps of inept thievery for good measure. It's so
>> irredeemably bereft of the virtues of lyrics, that it hurts to identify
>> them as such, like looking at the mangled corpse of a good friend and
>> reluctantly declaring it was he. But someone has to do it, so the family
>> can eventually move on with their lives. This stinks. DOA.
>>
>> dmh
>
>
> actually-
> i have to defend one thing.
>
> "thievery."
>
> i really shouldn't let that one slide.
>
> i contest that accusation.
>
> that's defamatory.
>
> i ask you to point to one song i ripped off
> to the point of "thievery."
>
> as musicians, we borrow from our influences.
>
> i borrowed plenty in this song.
>
> but to accuse me of the extreme would need
> clarification.
>
> thanks,
>
> matt
>


nothing.

i rest my case.

this man is a cheap thrills tabloid style
sleazy commentator that goes for entertainment
value in his critiques.

i have no problem with most of his critique
because it actually fits into part of my initial
concept of theme in the piece.

that's why i was at first ready to accept it and move on.

but when he claimed i "thieved," i had to draw the
line.

i called him on it.

he had no answer.

he's wrong and should admit it.

however, that's what a man would do.

i don't expect to hear from him.
Will Dockery
2009-01-20 07:31:01 UTC
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"msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
>"Dale Houstman" wrote:
>
> >> Songs - like poetry - lean heavily on imagery, and (especially in song)
> >> clever or evocative wordplay. This piece manages to avoid it all, and
to
> >> toss in faint wisps of inept thievery for good measure. It's so
> >> irredeemably bereft of the virtues of lyrics, that it hurts to identify
> >> them as such, like looking at the mangled corpse of a good friend and
> >> reluctantly declaring it was he. But someone has to do it, so the
family
> >> can eventually move on with their lives. This stinks. DOA.
> >>
> >> dmh
> >
> > actually-
> > i have to defend one thing.
> >
> > "thievery."
> >
> > i really shouldn't let that one slide.
> >
> > i contest that accusation.
> >
> > that's defamatory.
> >
> > i ask you to point to one song i ripped off
> > to the point of "thievery."
> >
> > as musicians, we borrow from our influences.
> >
> > i borrowed plenty in this song.
> >
> > but to accuse me of the extreme would need
> > clarification.
>
> nothing.
>
> i rest my case.
>
> this man is a cheap thrills tabloid style
> sleazy commentator that goes for entertainment
> value in his critiques.
>
> i have no problem with most of his critique
> because it actually fits into part of my initial
> concept of theme in the piece.
>
> that's why i was at first ready to accept it and move on.
>
> but when he claimed i "thieved," i had to draw the
> line.
>
> i called him on it.
>
> he had no answer.
>
> he's wrong and should admit it.
>
> however, that's what a man would do.
>
> i don't expect to hear from him.

He did get suddenly very quiet, didn't he? But, after making such charges,
where the next move is the demand to "post proof or s.t.f.u.", quietly
dropping the issue is a wise move, which in Usenet is as close to an apology
as he can come.

Otherwise, you can bet he'd have been right back with a response... I've
seen this at least a dozen times. (for some funny examples, Google the
archives for "reagan" + "springsteen" and "taxi driver" + "kristofferson",
those should turn up some funny threads of where I was right, someone wanted
to jump in too quickly to argue, was pounded by the facts until eventually
they had a moment of clarity about their self-embarrassment, and s.t.f.u.
and, of course the moment when Barbie repeated the similar lie about my
poetry, then wisely went away without responding to my demand that she post
proof of her lies.)

Rik Roots, back on the newsgroups after a long sabbatical, put it well when
discussing plagiarists such as Michael Cook, et al:

"...Plagiarism is a serious accusation, and so is theft... I
*hate* plagiarists, and I *despise* thieves. I trust that most other people
on this newsgroup feels likewise. If you do, then please do not hesitate to
make your feelings known to [the plagiarist/thief] in any way that you see
fit..."
-Rik, knee deep.

--
"Twilight Girl" and other song-poems by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
msifg
2009-01-20 11:41:50 UTC
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"Will Dockery" <will-dockery-***@knology.net> wrote in message
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> "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
>>"Dale Houstman" wrote:
>>
>> >> Songs - like poetry - lean heavily on imagery, and (especially in
>> >> song)
>> >> clever or evocative wordplay. This piece manages to avoid it all, and
> to
>> >> toss in faint wisps of inept thievery for good measure. It's so
>> >> irredeemably bereft of the virtues of lyrics, that it hurts to
>> >> identify
>> >> them as such, like looking at the mangled corpse of a good friend and
>> >> reluctantly declaring it was he. But someone has to do it, so the
> family
>> >> can eventually move on with their lives. This stinks. DOA.
>> >>
>> >> dmh
>> >
>> > actually-
>> > i have to defend one thing.
>> >
>> > "thievery."
>> >
>> > i really shouldn't let that one slide.
>> >
>> > i contest that accusation.
>> >
>> > that's defamatory.
>> >
>> > i ask you to point to one song i ripped off
>> > to the point of "thievery."
>> >
>> > as musicians, we borrow from our influences.
>> >
>> > i borrowed plenty in this song.
>> >
>> > but to accuse me of the extreme would need
>> > clarification.
>>
>> nothing.
>>
>> i rest my case.
>>
>> this man is a cheap thrills tabloid style
>> sleazy commentator that goes for entertainment
>> value in his critiques.
>>
>> i have no problem with most of his critique
>> because it actually fits into part of my initial
>> concept of theme in the piece.
>>
>> that's why i was at first ready to accept it and move on.
>>
>> but when he claimed i "thieved," i had to draw the
>> line.
>>
>> i called him on it.
>>
>> he had no answer.
>>
>> he's wrong and should admit it.
>>
>> however, that's what a man would do.
>>
>> i don't expect to hear from him.
>
> He did get suddenly very quiet, didn't he? But, after making such charges,
> where the next move is the demand to "post proof or s.t.f.u.", quietly
> dropping the issue is a wise move, which in Usenet is as close to an
> apology
> as he can come.
>
> Otherwise, you can bet he'd have been right back with a response... I've
> seen this at least a dozen times. (for some funny examples, Google the
> archives for "reagan" + "springsteen" and "taxi driver" +
> "kristofferson",
> those should turn up some funny threads of where I was right, someone
> wanted
> to jump in too quickly to argue, was pounded by the facts until eventually
> they had a moment of clarity about their self-embarrassment, and s.t.f.u.
> and, of course the moment when Barbie repeated the similar lie about my
> poetry, then wisely went away without responding to my demand that she
> post
> proof of her lies.)
>
> Rik Roots, back on the newsgroups after a long sabbatical, put it well
> when
> discussing plagiarists such as Michael Cook, et al:
>
> "...Plagiarism is a serious accusation, and so is theft... I
> *hate* plagiarists, and I *despise* thieves. I trust that most other
> people
> on this newsgroup feels likewise. If you do, then please do not hesitate
> to
> make your feelings known to [the plagiarist/thief] in any way that you see
> fit..."
> -Rik, knee deep.
>
> --
> "Twilight Girl" and other song-poems by Will Dockery:
> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>
>


i haven't hit usenet as hard as i have been lately.

this is the longest run i've gone on so far.

i've been hitting this group strong for six months now.

if you're telling me that silence is as good as an
apology, i accept it.

however, i don't think i've ever been treated like hoseman
has chosen to treat me. now, many will claim i'm a whiner.
that's fine and well. but i challenge anyone out there to read
his review of my song and not see a bit of self indulgence.

that's why, to me, he's nothing but a cheap shot sleazy tabloid
style commentator that couldn't do any better than crawling
around aapc looking for victims. yes, he has a talent. yes,
it is misdirected. no, he's not very helpful. yes, he exhibits
sociopathic tendencies. yes, i think sociopaths should be committed.
yes, i think hoseman should be hosed down with a high powered
fire hose.

haha
Will Dockery
2009-01-20 15:48:17 UTC
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"msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
> "Will Dockery" wrote:
> > "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
> >>"Dale Houstman" wrote:
>
> >> >> Songs - like poetry - lean heavily on imagery, and (especially in
> >> >> song)
> >> >> clever or evocative wordplay. This piece manages to avoid it all,
and
> > to
> >> >> toss in faint wisps of inept thievery for good measure. It's so
> >> >> irredeemably bereft of the virtues of lyrics, that it hurts to
> >> >> identify
> >> >> them as such, like looking at the mangled corpse of a good friend
and
> >> >> reluctantly declaring it was he. But someone has to do it, so the
> > family
> >> >> can eventually move on with their lives. This stinks. DOA.
> >> >
> >> > actually-
> >> > i have to defend one thing.
> >> >
> >> > "thievery."
> >> >
> >> > i really shouldn't let that one slide.
> >> >
> >> > i contest that accusation.
> >> >
> >> > that's defamatory.
> >> >
> >> > i ask you to point to one song i ripped off
> >> > to the point of "thievery."
> >> >
> >> > as musicians, we borrow from our influences.
> >> >
> >> > i borrowed plenty in this song.
> >> >
> >> > but to accuse me of the extreme would need
> >> > clarification.
> >>
> >> nothing.
> >>
> >> i rest my case.
> >>
> >> this man is a cheap thrills tabloid style
> >> sleazy commentator that goes for entertainment
> >> value in his critiques.
> >>
> >> i have no problem with most of his critique
> >> because it actually fits into part of my initial
> >> concept of theme in the piece.
> >>
> >> that's why i was at first ready to accept it and move on.
> >>
> >> but when he claimed i "thieved," i had to draw the
> >> line.
> >>
> >> i called him on it.
> >>
> >> he had no answer.
> >>
> >> he's wrong and should admit it.
> >>
> >> however, that's what a man would do.
> >>
> >> i don't expect to hear from him.
> >
> > He did get suddenly very quiet, didn't he? But, after making such
charges,
> > where the next move is the demand to "post proof or s.t.f.u.", quietly
> > dropping the issue is a wise move, which in Usenet is as close to an
apology as he can come.
> >
> > Otherwise, you can bet he'd have been right back with a response... I've
> > seen this at least a dozen times. (for some funny examples, Google the
> > archives for "reagan" + "springsteen" and "taxi driver" +
> > "kristofferson",
> > those should turn up some funny threads of where I was right, someone
> > wanted
> > to jump in too quickly to argue, was pounded by the facts until
eventually
> > they had a moment of clarity about their self-embarrassment, and
s.t.f.u.
> > and, of course the moment when Barbie repeated the similar lie about my
> > poetry, then wisely went away without responding to my demand that she
> > post
> > proof of her lies.)
> >
> > Rik Roots, back on the newsgroups after a long sabbatical, put it well
> > when
> > discussing plagiarists such as Michael Cook, et al:
> >
> > "...Plagiarism is a serious accusation, and so is theft... I
> > *hate* plagiarists, and I *despise* thieves. I trust that most other
people
> > on this newsgroup feels likewise. If you do, then please do not hesitate
> > to
> > make your feelings known to [the plagiarist/thief] in any way that you
see fit..." -Rik, knee deep.
>
> i haven't hit usenet as hard as i have been lately.
>
> this is the longest run i've gone on so far.
>
> i've been hitting this group strong for six months now.
>
> if you're telling me that silence is as good as an
> apology, i accept it.

Well, not /exactly/ as good as, but about as good as I've ever seen. The
silence signifies they either "posted proof" or they "shut the fuck up"...
meaning they did the latter, silently admitting they're liars with no proof.

> however, i don't think i've ever been treated like hoseman
> has chosen to treat me. now, many will claim i'm a whiner.
> that's fine and well. but i challenge anyone out there to read
> his review of my song and not see a bit of self indulgence.
>
> that's why, to me, he's nothing but a cheap shot sleazy tabloid
> style commentator that couldn't do any better than crawling
> around aapc looking for victims. yes, he has a talent. yes,
> it is misdirected. no, he's not very helpful. yes, he exhibits
> sociopathic tendencies. yes, i think sociopaths should be committed.
> yes, i think hoseman should be hosed down with a high powered
> fire hose.
>
> haha

I may actually get around to some of the epic-sized "reviews" Houstman wrote
on two or three of my poems a few years ago, page after page of line by line
analysis.

In fact, I'll type in a couple of keywords and see if one pops up easily
from the archives.

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George Dance
2009-01-26 22:03:58 UTC
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On Jan 19, 7:25 pm, "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
> "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:cMFcl.85290$***@newsfe08.iad...
>
>
> > "Dale Houstman" <***@skypoint.com> wrote in message
> >news:***@skypoint.com...
>
> >> Songs - like poetry - lean heavily on imagery, and (especially in song)
> >> clever or evocative wordplay. This piece manages to avoid it all, and to
> >> toss in faint wisps of inept thievery for good measure. It's so
> >> irredeemably bereft of the virtues of lyrics, that it hurts to identify
> >> them as such, like looking at the mangled corpse of a good friend and
> >> reluctantly declaring it was he. But someone has to do it, so the family
> >> can eventually move on with their lives. This stinks. DOA.
>
> >> dmh
>
> > actually-
> > i have to defend one thing.
>
> > "thievery."
>
> > i really shouldn't let that one slide.
>
> > i contest that accusation.
>
> > that's defamatory.
>
> > i ask you to point to one song i ripped off
> > to the point of "thievery."
>
> > as musicians, we borrow from our influences.
>
> > i borrowed plenty in this song.
>
> > but to accuse me of the extreme would need
> > clarification.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > matt
>
> nothing.
>
> i rest my case.
>
> this man is a cheap thrills tabloid style
> sleazy commentator that goes for entertainment
>  value in his critiques.
>
> i have no problem with most of his critique
> because it actually fits into part of my initial
> concept of theme in the piece.
>
> that's why i was at first ready to accept it and move on.
>
> but when he claimed i "thieved," i had to draw the
> line.

Hmmm ... Dale has accused me and Will Dockery of stealing poems, too,
without evidence (in my case at least):

"I would be the first to admit that those poems (at least mine) were
not
precisely first tier material, but they do qualify as poems, and were
all better examples of the type than anything done (or stolen) by Will
and George."
dmh

Interesting; since after "cocksucker" and "pedophile", "thief" seems
to be the major name in the rapkooks' smearchest.

> i called him on it.
>
> he had no answer.
>
> he's wrong and should admit it.
>
> however, that's what a man would do.
>
> i don't expect to hear from him.

I'm still ambivalent on how to classify Dale -- rapkook or free agent?
On the one hand he mainly seems to work independently, and doesn't
usually get involved in flame wars. However, when he does jump into a
flame war, I notice it's usually to back up a rapkook: I've noticed
him backing up Gary Gamble, and Rob Evans, and when searching for this
quote I found him defending Pete Ross in a six-year-old thread(!).
Right now I've got him as a stealth kook, like Karla Rogers; someone
who pretends to be apart from it all, and only jumps in when needed to
defend a rapkook as "proof" (to the casual reader) that the rapkook
must be right.
msifg
2009-01-27 01:22:59 UTC
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"George Dance" <***@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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On Jan 19, 7:25 pm, "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
> "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:cMFcl.85290$***@newsfe08.iad...
>
>
> > "Dale Houstman" <***@skypoint.com> wrote in message
> >news:***@skypoint.com...
>
> >> Songs - like poetry - lean heavily on imagery, and (especially in song)
> >> clever or evocative wordplay. This piece manages to avoid it all, and
> >> to
> >> toss in faint wisps of inept thievery for good measure. It's so
> >> irredeemably bereft of the virtues of lyrics, that it hurts to identify
> >> them as such, like looking at the mangled corpse of a good friend and
> >> reluctantly declaring it was he. But someone has to do it, so the
> >> family
> >> can eventually move on with their lives. This stinks. DOA.
>
> >> dmh
>
> > actually-
> > i have to defend one thing.
>
> > "thievery."
>
> > i really shouldn't let that one slide.
>
> > i contest that accusation.
>
> > that's defamatory.
>
> > i ask you to point to one song i ripped off
> > to the point of "thievery."
>
> > as musicians, we borrow from our influences.
>
> > i borrowed plenty in this song.
>
> > but to accuse me of the extreme would need
> > clarification.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > matt
>
> nothing.
>
> i rest my case.
>
> this man is a cheap thrills tabloid style
> sleazy commentator that goes for entertainment
> value in his critiques.
>
> i have no problem with most of his critique
> because it actually fits into part of my initial
> concept of theme in the piece.
>
> that's why i was at first ready to accept it and move on.
>
> but when he claimed i "thieved," i had to draw the
> line.

Hmmm ... Dale has accused me and Will Dockery of stealing poems, too,
without evidence (in my case at least):

"I would be the first to admit that those poems (at least mine) were
not
precisely first tier material, but they do qualify as poems, and were
all better examples of the type than anything done (or stolen) by Will
and George."
dmh

Interesting; since after "cocksucker" and "pedophile", "thief" seems
to be the major name in the rapkooks' smearchest.

> i called him on it.
>
> he had no answer.
>
> he's wrong and should admit it.
>
> however, that's what a man would do.
>
> i don't expect to hear from him.

I'm still ambivalent on how to classify Dale -- rapkook or free agent?
On the one hand he mainly seems to work independently, and doesn't
usually get involved in flame wars. However, when he does jump into a
flame war, I notice it's usually to back up a rapkook: I've noticed
him backing up Gary Gamble, and Rob Evans, and when searching for this
quote I found him defending Pete Ross in a six-year-old thread(!).
Right now I've got him as a stealth kook, like Karla Rogers; someone
who pretends to be apart from it all, and only jumps in when needed to
defend a rapkook as "proof" (to the casual reader) that the rapkook
must be right.


*all i know is:
his comments AREN'T very helpful.
they mostly take cheap shots and
are a bit self indulgent. i don't
mind constructive criticism.
also, opinions are wonderful.
however, insults over the internet
are lame and cowardly.

light banter is one thing.
insults are inexcusable.
esp from a grown man.

this person is a slimeball.
i'm sorry to share the same air with them.
however, they have just as much a
right to breath God's crisp air as
any of the rest of us.

therefore, i make my case then move on.

proof or s/t/f/u!!
Rob Evans
2009-01-27 08:42:30 UTC
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"msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> *all i know is:

Very little at all but do continue to demonstrate.

> his comments AREN'T very helpful.
> they mostly take cheap shots and
> are a bit self indulgent. i don't
> mind constructive criticism.
> also, opinions are wonderful.
> however, insults over the internet
> are lame and cowardly.

His comments are extremely helpful and constructive when directed at people
who want to improve. The semi-literates like you, Dance and the Duck are
never going to fall into that category. And poor Will is in a terrible fix.
He used to say that Dale was one of the best poets and critics on the
newsgroup... until Dale pointed out that Will wrote drivel.
>
> light banter is one thing.
> insults are inexcusable.
> esp from a grown man.
>
> this person is a slimeball.
> i'm sorry to share the same air with them.

Then hold your breath. We'll all give a vote of thanks to "them" Dales
after, what, say 10 minutes?

>
> therefore, i make my case then move on.

You didn't.
>
> proof or s/t/f/u!!
>
I look forward to you trying the latter.

Rob


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Will Dockery
2009-01-27 17:16:18 UTC
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"Rob Evans" wrote:
>
> Will is in a terrible fix.

Not at all, and I can prove it, since my comments are archived.

> He used to say that Dale was one of the best poets and critics on the
newsgroup...

We already went over this before, but you seem to be too senile to remember
it, or you're just being your usual lying self, Mushmouth.

Dale's still one of my favorite poets on Usenet, and in this very thread I
agreed he gives good, often hilarious, critique.

You, however, are a writer of dreary chopped-up-prose, with a delivery
that's earned you the well-desrved title of "mushmouth poet", since your
garbled whistle lisping reading sounded like you were talking through a
mouth stuffed with oatmeal.

And you don't write "critique" at all.

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Rob Evans
2009-01-27 19:44:04 UTC
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"Will Dockery" <will-dockery-***@knology.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Rob Evans" wrote:
>>
>> Will is in a terrible fix.
>
> Not at all, and I can prove it, since my comments are archived.
>
>> He used to say that Dale was one of the best poets and critics on the
> newsgroup...
>
> We already went over this before, but you seem to be too senile to
> remember
> it, or you're just being your usual lying self, Mushmouth.
>
> Dale's still one of my favorite poets on Usenet, and in this very thread I
> agreed he gives good, often hilarious, critique.

And it's also archived that you thought he lost all credibility the moment
he told you your stuff was incredibly bad.
A critique that's forensic about hilarious drivel.
>
> You, however, are a writer of dreary chopped-up-prose, with a delivery
> that's earned you the well-desrved title of "mushmouth poet", since your
> garbled whistle lisping reading sounded like you were talking through a
> mouth stuffed with oatmeal.

An opinion held by...

you, just you.

And you scribble unspeakable shit.

Therefore - no opinion at all.
>
> And you don't write "critique" at all.
>
Like poetry, critique should hold condensed imagery.

Say "unspeakable shit" and your Duckrish drivel is immediately evoked.

Nothing wrong with THAT critique.

Rob
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Will Dockery
2009-01-27 21:38:49 UTC
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"Rob Evans" wrote:
>Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > Dale's still one of my favorite poets on Usenet, and in this very thread
I
> > agreed he gives good, often hilarious, critique.
>
> And it's also archived that you thought he lost all credibility the moment
> he told you your stuff was incredibly bad.

Again, Rob, we went through all this before, and again you're wrong now just
as you were then. Is your memory really that flaky now or are you just
trying to mush out the same recycled lie all over again? Or both?

I actually became a fan of Dale Houstman's poetry long after his critiques
of my poetry, and that's the fact... sorry you're so senile you don't
remember that.

Really... now go have your nap, old son.

> > You, however, are a writer of dreary chopped-up-prose, with a delivery
> > that's earned you the well-desrved title of "mushmouth poet", since your
> > garbled whistle lisping reading sounded like you were talking through a
> > mouth stuffed with oatmeal.
>
> An opinion

Not at all, Rob, that's a fact that can be proven to anyone who heard your
mushmouthed performance recording, or read one of your dreary
chopped-up-prose "poems".

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Rob Evans
2009-01-28 19:44:46 UTC
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"Will Dockery" <will-dockery-***@knology.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Rob Evans" wrote:
>>Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>> > Dale's still one of my favorite poets on Usenet, and in this very
>> > thread
> I
>> > agreed he gives good, often hilarious, critique.
>>
>> And it's also archived that you thought he lost all credibility the
>> moment
>> he told you your stuff was incredibly bad.
>
> Again, Rob, we went through all this before, and again you're wrong now
> just
> as you were then. Is your memory really that flaky now or are you just
> trying to mush out the same recycled lie all over again? Or both?
>
> I actually became a fan of Dale Houstman's poetry long after his critiques
> of my poetry, and that's the fact... sorry you're so senile you don't
> remember that.
>
> Really... now go have your nap, old son.
>
>> > You, however, are a writer of dreary chopped-up-prose, with a delivery
>> > that's earned you the well-desrved title of "mushmouth poet", since
>> > your
>> > garbled whistle lisping reading sounded like you were talking through a
>> > mouth stuffed with oatmeal.
>>
>> An opinion
>
> Not at all, Rob, that's a fact that can be proven to anyone who heard

But "anyone" who heard disagreed with you. So you then accused THEM of
lying.

Probably because they also state that you scribble unspeakable shit.

Poor stumbling
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Will Dockery
2009-01-28 22:00:48 UTC
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"Rob Evans" wrote:
> "Will Dockery" wrote:
> > "Rob Evans" wrote:
> >>Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >> > Dale's still one of my favorite poets on Usenet, and in this very
thread I
> >> > agreed he gives good, often hilarious, critique.
> >>
> >> And it's also archived that you thought he lost all credibility the
> >> moment
> >> he told you your stuff was incredibly bad.
> >
> > Again, Rob, we went through all this before, and again you're wrong now
> > just
> > as you were then. Is your memory really that flaky now or are you just
> > trying to mush out the same recycled lie all over again? Or both?
> >
> > I actually became a fan of Dale Houstman's poetry long after his
critiques
> > of my poetry, and that's the fact... sorry you're so senile you don't
> > remember that.
> >
> > Really... now go have your nap, old son.
> >
> >> > You, however, are a writer of dreary chopped-up-prose, with a
delivery
> >> > that's earned you the well-desrved title of "mushmouth poet", since
> >> > your
> >> > garbled whistle lisping reading sounded like you were talking through
a
> >> > mouth stuffed with oatmeal.
> >>
> >> An opinion
> >
> > Not at all, Rob, that's a fact that can be proven to anyone who heard
>
> But "anyone" who heard disagreed

No, most pretended not to have heard it at all. The fact is that "anyone"
who listened and couldn't hear your whistle-lisping mushmouthed burble would
have to be deaf.

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msifg
2009-01-27 22:18:41 UTC
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"Rob Evans" <***@sky.com> wrote in message
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>
> "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:Nltfl.39079$***@newsfe21.iad...
>>
>>
>> *all i know is:
>
> Very little at all but do continue to demonstrate.
>
>> his comments AREN'T very helpful.
>> they mostly take cheap shots and
>> are a bit self indulgent. i don't
>> mind constructive criticism.
>> also, opinions are wonderful.
>> however, insults over the internet
>> are lame and cowardly.
>
> His comments are extremely helpful and constructive when directed at
> people who want to improve. The semi-literates like you, Dance and the
> Duck are never going to fall into that category. And poor Will is in a
> terrible fix. He used to say that Dale was one of the best poets and
> critics on the newsgroup... until Dale pointed out that Will wrote drivel.
>>
>> light banter is one thing.
>> insults are inexcusable.
>> esp from a grown man.
>>
>> this person is a slimeball.
>> i'm sorry to share the same air with them.
>
> Then hold your breath. We'll all give a vote of thanks to "them" Dales
> after, what, say 10 minutes?
>
>>
>> therefore, i make my case then move on.
>
> You didn't.
>>
>> proof or s/t/f/u!!
>>
> I look forward to you trying the latter.
>
> Rob
>
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you hammes wannabe!
not even close.

i don't agree that dale's comments are helpful
because they're always loaded with personal insults.
he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
however, his technique is filled to the brim
with contempt and smugness.
i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.

of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
little ass kissing vulture faced old
fool. you can't even get your insults
strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck
is that!

if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.

you're a bit over the hill at this time.

(wait, by all means, keep going-
hahahahahahaha)
Rob Evans
2009-01-28 19:48:53 UTC
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"msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Rob Evans" <***@sky.com> wrote in message
> news:497ec8f2$0$2837$***@news.newsdemon.com...
>>
>> "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:Nltfl.39079$***@newsfe21.iad...
>>>
>>>
>>> *all i know is:
>>
>> Very little at all but do continue to demonstrate.
>>
>>> his comments AREN'T very helpful.
>>> they mostly take cheap shots and
>>> are a bit self indulgent. i don't
>>> mind constructive criticism.
>>> also, opinions are wonderful.
>>> however, insults over the internet
>>> are lame and cowardly.
>>
>> His comments are extremely helpful and constructive when directed at
>> people who want to improve. The semi-literates like you, Dance and the
>> Duck are never going to fall into that category. And poor Will is in a
>> terrible fix. He used to say that Dale was one of the best poets and
>> critics on the newsgroup... until Dale pointed out that Will wrote
>> drivel.
>>>
>>> light banter is one thing.
>>> insults are inexcusable.
>>> esp from a grown man.
>>>
>>> this person is a slimeball.
>>> i'm sorry to share the same air with them.
>>
>> Then hold your breath. We'll all give a vote of thanks to "them" Dales
>> after, what, say 10 minutes?
>>
>>>
>>> therefore, i make my case then move on.
>>
>> You didn't.
>>>
>>> proof or s/t/f/u!!
>>>
>> I look forward to you trying the latter.
>>
>> Rob
>>
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>
>
>
> you hammes wannabe!
> not even close.
>
> i don't agree that dale's comments are helpful
> because they're always loaded with personal insults.
> he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
> however, his technique is filled to the brim
> with contempt and smugness.
> i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
>
> of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
> i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
> you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
> little ass kissing vulture faced old
> fool. you can't even get your insults
> strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
> then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
> photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck
> is that!
>
> if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.
>
> you're a bit over the hill at this time.
>
>And you're a wannabe writer. Unfortunately you think writing is simply one
>letter after another. Please type some more "h"s followed by "a"s to
>confirm this.

Stupid kid.

Rob

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Will Dockery
2009-01-29 01:45:21 UTC
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"Rob Evans" wrote:
> "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
> > "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
> >> "msifg" wrote:
>
> >>> *all i know is:
>
> >>> his comments AREN'T very helpful.
> >>> they mostly take cheap shots and
> >>> are a bit self indulgent.  i don't
> >>> mind constructive criticism.
> >>> also, opinions are wonderful.
> >>> however, insults over the internet
> >>> are lame and cowardly.
>
> >>> light banter is one thing.
> >>> insults are inexcusable.
> >>> esp from a grown man.
>
> >>> this person is a slimeball.
> >>> i'm sorry to share the same air with them.
>
> >> Then hold your breath.  We'll all give a vote of thanks to "them" Dales
> >> after, what, say 10 minutes?
>
> >>> therefore, i make my case then move on.
>
> >> You didn't.
>
> >>> proof or s/t/f/u!!
>
> >> I look forward to you trying the latter.
>
> > you hammes wannabe!
> > not even close.
>
> > i don't agree that dale's comments are helpful
> > because they're always loaded with personal insults.
> > he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
> > however, his technique is filled to the brim
> > with contempt and smugness.
> > i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
>
> > of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
> > i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
> > you'd say "how high?"  you're a predictable
> > little ass kissing vulture faced old
> > fool.  you can't even get your insults
> > strait.  you called dockery "mush mouth"
> > then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
> > photo displayed for all to see.  what kind of crappy luck
> > is that!
>
> > if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.
>
> > you're a bit over the hill at this time.
>
> Stupid kid.

Even worse, you're a stupid /and/ senile old man, Rob... spit out your
mush and whistle some more for us... heh.

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Rob Evans
2009-01-31 11:31:25 UTC
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"Will Dockery" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Rob Evans" wrote:
> "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
> > "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
> >> "msifg" wrote:
>
> >>> *all i know is:
>
> >>> his comments AREN'T very helpful.
> >>> they mostly take cheap shots and
> >>> are a bit self indulgent. i don't
> >>> mind constructive criticism.
> >>> also, opinions are wonderful.
> >>> however, insults over the internet
> >>> are lame and cowardly.
>
> >>> light banter is one thing.
> >>> insults are inexcusable.
> >>> esp from a grown man.
>
> >>> this person is a slimeball.
> >>> i'm sorry to share the same air with them.
>
> >> Then hold your breath. We'll all give a vote of thanks to "them" Dales
> >> after, what, say 10 minutes?
>
> >>> therefore, i make my case then move on.
>
> >> You didn't.
>
> >>> proof or s/t/f/u!!
>
> >> I look forward to you trying the latter.
>
> > you hammes wannabe!
> > not even close.
>
> > i don't agree that dale's comments are helpful
> > because they're always loaded with personal insults.
> > he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
> > however, his technique is filled to the brim
> > with contempt and smugness.
> > i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
>
> > of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
> > i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
> > you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
> > little ass kissing vulture faced old
> > fool. you can't even get your insults
> > strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
> > then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
> > photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck
> > is that!
>
> > if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.
>
> > you're a bit over the hill at this time.
>
> Stupid kid.

Even worse, you're a stupid /and/ senile old man, Rob... spit out your
mush and whistle some more for us... heh.

That's about as likely as you stepping onto a stage without stumbling and
then managing to face the audience when gargling.

It's nobody else's fault that you scribble unspeakable shit.

Rob
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Will Dockery
2009-01-31 15:24:24 UTC
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"Rob Evans" wrote:
> "Will Dockery" wrote:
>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
>>> "msifg" wrote:
>
> > >>> *all i know is:
> >
> > >>> his comments AREN'T very helpful.
> > >>> they mostly take cheap shots and
> > >>> are a bit self indulgent. i don't
> > >>> mind constructive criticism.
> > >>> also, opinions are wonderful.
> > >>> however, insults over the internet
> > >>> are lame and cowardly.
> >
> > >>> light banter is one thing.
> > >>> insults are inexcusable.
> > >>> esp from a grown man.
> >
> > >>> this person is a slimeball.
> > >>> i'm sorry to share the same air with them.
> >
> > >>> therefore, i make my case then move on.
> >
> > >> You didn't.
> >
> > >>> proof or s/t/f/u!!
> >
> > >> I look forward to you trying the latter.
> >
> > > you hammes wannabe!
> > > not even close.
> >
> > > i don't agree that dale's comments are helpful
> > > because they're always loaded with personal insults.

And when someone like Rob "Mushmouth" Evans chimes in, and then it is
revealed how short he comes up as a poet, being a lackluster writer of
dreary chopped-up-prose that pretends to be a poem, and then performs it
with a gurgling whistle-lisp that sounds like either a stroke victim or that
he has a mouth stuffed with mush, or both, then it just gets really funny
really fast.

> > > he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
> > > however, his technique is filled to the brim
> > > with contempt and smugness.
> > > i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
> >
> > > of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
> > > i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
> > > you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
> > > little ass kissing vulture faced old
> > > fool. you can't even get your insults
> > > strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
> > > then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
> > > photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck is that!

And the photograph is an old one... can you imagine the horror he faces
every morning when he looks in the mirror and sees what new cruel joke life
has played on him the night before?

I wanted to let this pass, and had even thought maybe our "truce" would
last, but the old assface just keeps crawling back, begging for more.

No doubt this will go on for another 5000 post thread of his whining over
his hurt feelings...

> > > if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.
> >
> > > you're a bit over the hill at this time.
> >
> > Stupid kid.
>
> Even worse, you're a stupid /and/ senile old man, Rob... spit out your
> mush and whistle some more for us... heh.
>
> That's about as likely as you stepping onto a stage without stumbling and

Depends on which stage, how many fucken wires I'm not fond of stepping on,
things like that, but looking at your photograph, you're about ready to be
rolled onstage in a wheelchair, am I right, Mushmouth?

BTW, there will be a lot of new video online in a week or so, since Sports
Rock Cafe plans to begin a YouTube channel with clips of various
performances culled from the weekly sets there... I'll make sure you get
links so you can continue to drool over those... heh.

> then managing to face the audience

Since I'm onstage an average of 3-4 times a week, I'll keep your advice in
mind, Mushmouth, but there's certain times when "turning my back" to the
audience is appropriate (and I'm aware you have no idea what my situation as
far as stage performance is like, since you no doubt just sit there in your
wheelchair spittle-spewing the front row of your audience, so thanks, but
really, no thanks) such as observing and giving a nod to the drummer for a
particularly great beat, checking out a soloist in a far corner, and in
general acting as a conductor for musicians who are playing /my/ music.

Miles Davis and Johnny Cash are two great examples of performers who were
noted for facing away from the stage from time-to-time, and of course I can
add that you're also exagerating, but you're well known to be a mushmouthed
liar anyhow, and this one's one of your smaller ones... thanks for the
attempt at critique of my stage act, though!

> It's nobody else's fault

That you're a shrivelled, old crone-man, no, but your apparent lack of a
toothbrush leaves you to blame for your rotten teeth, which is possibly the
reason for your mushmouthed whistle-lisping sound:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060821095504/http://www.bbc.co.uk/berkshire/stage/poets/images/rob_evans270.jpg

A shame you didn't wipe the slobber off your chin, and shut your pathetic
brown-stubbed mouth before you had your picture taken, though, little guy!

As for your being downright butt-ugly at /any/ age, your parents are no
doubt at fault for that, Mushmouth. In fact, your whistling-lisp may also be
a genetic thing, as well... heh.

--
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http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Rob Evans
2009-02-01 15:33:41 UTC
Permalink
"Will Dockery" <will-dockery-***@knology.net> wrote in message
news:85871$49846f2a$4b4c71e9$***@KNOLOGY.NET...
>
> "Rob Evans" wrote:
>> "Will Dockery" wrote:
>>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
>>>> "msifg" wrote:
>>
>> > >>> *all i know is:
>> >
>> > >>> his comments AREN'T very helpful.
>> > >>> they mostly take cheap shots and
>> > >>> are a bit self indulgent. i don't
>> > >>> mind constructive criticism.
>> > >>> also, opinions are wonderful.
>> > >>> however, insults over the internet
>> > >>> are lame and cowardly.
>> >
>> > >>> light banter is one thing.
>> > >>> insults are inexcusable.
>> > >>> esp from a grown man.
>> >
>> > >>> this person is a slimeball.
>> > >>> i'm sorry to share the same air with them.
>> >
>> > >>> therefore, i make my case then move on.
>> >
>> > >> You didn't.
>> >
>> > >>> proof or s/t/f/u!!
>> >
>> > >> I look forward to you trying the latter.
>> >
>> > > you hammes wannabe!
>> > > not even close.
>> >
>> > > i don't agree that dale's comments are helpful
>> > > because they're always loaded with personal insults.
>
> And when someone like Rob "Mushmouth" Evans chimes in, and then it is
> revealed how short he comes up as a poet, being a lackluster writer of
> dreary chopped-up-prose that pretends to be a poem, and then performs it
> with a gurgling whistle-lisp that sounds like either a stroke victim or
> that
> he has a mouth stuffed with mush, or both, then it just gets really funny
> really fast.
>
>> > > he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
>> > > however, his technique is filled to the brim
>> > > with contempt and smugness.
>> > > i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
>> >
>> > > of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
>> > > i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
>> > > you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
>> > > little ass kissing vulture faced old
>> > > fool. you can't even get your insults
>> > > strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
>> > > then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
>> > > photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck is that!
>
> And the photograph is an old one... can you imagine the horror he faces
> every morning when he looks in the mirror and sees what new cruel joke
> life
> has played on him the night before?
>
> I wanted to let this pass, and had even thought maybe our "truce" would
> last, but the old assface just keeps crawling back, begging for more.
>
> No doubt this will go on for another 5000 post thread of his whining over
> his hurt feelings...
>
>> > > if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.
>> >
>> > > you're a bit over the hill at this time.
>> >
>> > Stupid kid.
>>
>> Even worse, you're a stupid /and/ senile old man, Rob... spit out your
>> mush and whistle some more for us... heh.
>>
>> That's about as likely as you stepping onto a stage without stumbling and
>
> Depends on which stage, how many fucken wires I'm not fond of stepping on,
> things like that, but looking at your photograph, you're about ready to be
> rolled onstage in a wheelchair, am I right, Mushmouth?

Clearly not true (since you wrote it) but even if it were, I'd be facing an
reasonably sized audience that was interested rather than drunk. And
despite your dishonest whining protestations (like I said, it's not my fault
you scribble unspeakable) they would actually be able to understand what I
was saying.
>
>
>> then managing to face the audience
>
> Since I'm onstage an average of 3-4 times a week, I'll keep your advice in
> mind, Mushmouth, but there's certain times when "turning my back" to the
> audience is appropriate (and I'm aware you have no idea what my situation
> as
> far as stage performance is like, since you no doubt just sit there in
> your
> wheelchair spittle-spewing the front row of your audience, so thanks, but
> really, no thanks) such as observing and giving a nod to the drummer for a
> particularly great beat, checking out a soloist in a far corner, and in
> general acting as a conductor for musicians who are playing /my/ music.
>
> Miles Davis and Johnny Cash are two great examples of performers who were
> noted for facing away from the stage from time-to-time, and of course I
> can
> add that you're also exagerating, but you're well known to be a
> mushmouthed
> liar anyhow, and this one's one of your smaller ones... thanks for the
> attempt at critique of my stage act, though!
>
You aint them. Unlike them (or even me) you appear with desperate
regularity in front of a few drunks in Hicksville. You fall about because
you're drunk or just useless at coordination. You can't write poetry and
you can't even write decent lyrics.

You scribble unspeakably shit and perform it badly but you have the good
sense to do it in venues where nobody cares.

Rob


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Will Dockery
2009-02-01 17:35:38 UTC
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"Rob Evans", mushmouth poet, wrote:
>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
>>> "msifg"  wrote:
>
> > And when someone like Rob "Mushmouth" Evans chimes in, and then it is revealed how short he comes up as a poet, being a lackluster writer of dreary chopped-up-prose that pretends to be a poem, and then performs it
> > with a gurgling whistle-lisp that sounds like either a stroke victim or
> > that he has a mouth stuffed with mush, or both, then it just gets really funny really fast.
>
>>>>> he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
>>>>> however, his technique is filled to the brim
>>>>> with contempt and smugness.
>>>>> i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
>>>>> of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
>>>>> i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
>>>>> you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
>>>>> little ass kissing vulture faced old
>>>>> fool. you can't even get your insults
>>>>> strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
>>>>> then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
>>>>> photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck is that!
>
> > And the photograph is an old one... can you imagine the horror he faces
> > every morning when he looks in the mirror and sees what new cruel joke life has played on him the night before?
>
> > I wanted to let this pass, and had even thought maybe our "truce" would
> > last, but the old assface just keeps crawling back, begging for more.
>
> > No doubt this will go on for another 5000 post thread of his whining over his hurt feelings...
>
> >> > > if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.

Mushmouth seems addicted to sniffing behind me. Apparently this will
continue on for ever how many years, weeks or days it takes one of us
to die... sounds sadly familiar.

A shame he can't understand that his time would be better spent
working on his many obvious problems, such as the fact that he writes
forgetable poetry that will quickly fade and be forgotten as soon as
he posts it, as usual. Or the fact that he's an assfaced thug wannabe
intent on wasting my time... luckily I have more than enough to keep
him smacked down... heh.

Anyway, let's see what garbage he's left dripping from this post like
the drool on his crone-like chin this morning:

> >> > > you're a bit over the hill at this time.
>
> >> Even worse, you're a stupid /and/ senile old man, Rob... spit out your
> >> mush and whistle some more for us... heh.
>
> >> That's about as likely as you stepping onto a stage

I'll be doing that 15-20 times tonight, actually, Mushmouth, as part
of the new Sunday night open mic at the Sports Rock Cafe over in
Ladonia tonight, Mushmouth, introducing performers as well as doing a
couple of sets of my own. As I mentioned earlier, we'll be making
digital video of these from now on, to put on a SRC YouTube channel,
which you'll no doubt slobber and masturbate over for endless hours...
heh.

> without stumbling and
>
> > Depends on which stage, how many fucken wires I'm not fond of stepping on,
> > things like that, but looking at your photograph, you're about ready to be rolled onstage in a wheelchair, am I right, Mushmouth?
>
> Clearly not true

Sorry pal, but your photograph clearly shows your pathetic condition
of several years ago:

http://tinyurl.com/5j4grx

Maybe you've had a face-lift, bought a wig, and had those rotten brown
teeth pulled and replaced with dentures since then, you still look so
feeble that I doubt you can walk well enough to make it to the stage,
much less stand there.

> >> then managing to face the audience

Which you most likely spray with gunk when you burble and whistle-lisp
your dreary chopped-up-prose pretending to be poetry, and giving small
children nightmares, since you're the spitting image of a modern day
Nosferatu?

"We know."

> > Since I'm onstage an average of 3-4 times a week, I'll keep your advice in
> > mind, Mushmouth, but there's certain times when "turning my back" to the
> > audience is appropriate (and I'm aware you have no idea what my situation
> > as far as stage performance is like, since you no doubt just sit there inyour wheelchair spittle-spewing the front row of your audience, so thanks, but
> > really, no thanks) such as observing and giving a nod to the drummer for a particularly great beat, checking out a soloist in a far corner, and in
> > general acting as a conductor for musicians who are playing /my/ music.
>
> > Miles Davis and Johnny Cash are two great examples of performers who were noted for facing away from the stage from time-to-time, and of course I can
> > add that you're also exagerating, but you're well known to be a
> > mushmouthed
> > liar anyhow, and this one's one of your smaller ones... thanks for the
> > attempt at critique of my stage act, though!
>
> You aint them.  

Of course not, and thank God I'm not you, either, Mushmouth, since you
no doubt just sit there in your wheelchair spittle-spewing the front
row of your audience, who also no doubt wish you'd turn your back on
them so they wouldn't have to look at that nasty mouth and shrivelled
vulture face of yours.

See you back here soon, Mushmouth, you know you can't stop yourself...
heh.

--
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http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
msifg
2009-02-01 18:19:27 UTC
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"Will Dockery" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Rob Evans", mushmouth poet, wrote:
>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
>>> "msifg" wrote:
>
> > And when someone like Rob "Mushmouth" Evans chimes in, and then it is
> > revealed how short he comes up as a poet, being a lackluster writer of
> > dreary chopped-up-prose that pretends to be a poem, and then performs it
> > with a gurgling whistle-lisp that sounds like either a stroke victim or
> > that he has a mouth stuffed with mush, or both, then it just gets really
> > funny really fast.
>
>>>>> he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
>>>>> however, his technique is filled to the brim
>>>>> with contempt and smugness.
>>>>> i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
>>>>> of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
>>>>> i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
>>>>> you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
>>>>> little ass kissing vulture faced old
>>>>> fool. you can't even get your insults
>>>>> strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
>>>>> then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
>>>>> photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck is that!
>
> > And the photograph is an old one... can you imagine the horror he faces
> > every morning when he looks in the mirror and sees what new cruel joke
> > life has played on him the night before?
>
> > I wanted to let this pass, and had even thought maybe our "truce" would
> > last, but the old assface just keeps crawling back, begging for more.
>
> > No doubt this will go on for another 5000 post thread of his whining
> > over his hurt feelings...
>
> >> > > if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.

Mushmouth seems addicted to sniffing behind me. Apparently this will
continue on for ever how many years, weeks or days it takes one of us
to die... sounds sadly familiar.

A shame he can't understand that his time would be better spent
working on his many obvious problems, such as the fact that he writes
forgetable poetry that will quickly fade and be forgotten as soon as
he posts it, as usual. Or the fact that he's an assfaced thug wannabe
intent on wasting my time... luckily I have more than enough to keep
him smacked down... heh.

Anyway, let's see what garbage he's left dripping from this post like
the drool on his crone-like chin this morning:

> >> > > you're a bit over the hill at this time.
>
> >> Even worse, you're a stupid /and/ senile old man, Rob... spit out your
> >> mush and whistle some more for us... heh.
>
> >> That's about as likely as you stepping onto a stage

I'll be doing that 15-20 times tonight, actually, Mushmouth, as part
of the new Sunday night open mic at the Sports Rock Cafe over in
Ladonia tonight, Mushmouth, introducing performers as well as doing a
couple of sets of my own. As I mentioned earlier, we'll be making
digital video of these from now on, to put on a SRC YouTube channel,
which you'll no doubt slobber and masturbate over for endless hours...
heh.

> without stumbling and
>
> > Depends on which stage, how many fucken wires I'm not fond of stepping
> > on,
> > things like that, but looking at your photograph, you're about ready to
> > be rolled onstage in a wheelchair, am I right, Mushmouth?
>
> Clearly not true

Sorry pal, but your photograph clearly shows your pathetic condition
of several years ago:

http://tinyurl.com/5j4grx

Maybe you've had a face-lift, bought a wig, and had those rotten brown
teeth pulled and replaced with dentures since then, you still look so
feeble that I doubt you can walk well enough to make it to the stage,
much less stand there.

> >> then managing to face the audience

Which you most likely spray with gunk when you burble and whistle-lisp
your dreary chopped-up-prose pretending to be poetry, and giving small
children nightmares, since you're the spitting image of a modern day
Nosferatu?

"We know."

> > Since I'm onstage an average of 3-4 times a week, I'll keep your advice
> > in
> > mind, Mushmouth, but there's certain times when "turning my back" to the
> > audience is appropriate (and I'm aware you have no idea what my
> > situation
> > as far as stage performance is like, since you no doubt just sit there
> > inyour wheelchair spittle-spewing the front row of your audience, so
> > thanks, but
> > really, no thanks) such as observing and giving a nod to the drummer for
> > a particularly great beat, checking out a soloist in a far corner, and
> > in
> > general acting as a conductor for musicians who are playing /my/ music.
>
> > Miles Davis and Johnny Cash are two great examples of performers who
> > were noted for facing away from the stage from time-to-time, and of
> > course I can
> > add that you're also exagerating, but you're well known to be a
> > mushmouthed
> > liar anyhow, and this one's one of your smaller ones... thanks for the
> > attempt at critique of my stage act, though!
>
> You aint them.

Of course not, and thank God I'm not you, either, Mushmouth, since you
no doubt just sit there in your wheelchair spittle-spewing the front
row of your audience, who also no doubt wish you'd turn your back on
them so they wouldn't have to look at that nasty mouth and shrivelled
vulture face of yours.

See you back here soon, Mushmouth, you know you can't stop yourself...
heh.

--
"Twilight Girl" and other song-poems by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery


you're right-
this is entertaining, but also pathetic.
evans can't shake his dockery obsession.
all of this attention is really his way of
saying how much he envies you.
that's what makes it all so pathetic.
it's no different than the homophobe that
lashes out day after day then is finally found
with another man in a public stall.

all of these dockery obsessors are secretly envious.

especially the ones that go at him day after day.

further, the only reason it all works in the first
place is because Will answers all of his threads.
if he killfiled, or ignored the people who hate him,
usenet would crumble to the ground.
(i hope that didn't sound too wrong.)
my point is that it's Will's loyalty to usenet
that allows the dockery obsessors to thrive.

the thing that people hate the most about him
is the thing that makes him a usenet legend.

the same went for hammes.



hey Will,
cool news about the digital recording and youtube.
i can't wait to see some cool stuff.
please provide links as new material arrives.

matt
Will Dockery
2009-02-01 21:29:20 UTC
Permalink
"msifg" wrote:
> "Will Dockery" wrote:
> "Rob Evans", mushmouth poet, wrote:
> >"Will Dockery" wrote:
> >> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
> >>> "msifg" wrote:
>
> > > And when someone like Rob "Mushmouth" Evans chimes in, and then it is
> > > revealed how short he comes up as a poet, being a lackluster writer of
> > > dreary chopped-up-prose that pretends to be a poem, and then performs
it
> > > with a gurgling whistle-lisp that sounds like either a stroke victim
or
> > > that he has a mouth stuffed with mush, or both, then it just gets
really funny really fast.
> >
> >>>>> he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
> >>>>> however, his technique is filled to the brim
> >>>>> with contempt and smugness.

Just as Rob Evans' mouth is filled to the brim with the gunk that stained
his crumbling teeth brown... heh.

> >>>>> i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
> >>>>> of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
> >>>>> i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
> >>>>> you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
> >>>>> little ass kissing vulture faced old
> >>>>> fool. you can't even get your insults
> >>>>> strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
> >>>>> then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
> >>>>> photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck is that!
> >
> > > And the photograph is an old one... can you imagine the horror he
faces
> > > every morning when he looks in the mirror and sees what new cruel joke
> > > life has played on him the night before?
> >
> > > I wanted to let this pass, and had even thought maybe our "truce"
would
> > > last, but the old assface just keeps crawling back, begging for more.
> >
> > > No doubt this will go on for another 5000 post thread of his whining
over his hurt feelings...
> >
> > >> > > if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.
>
> Mushmouth seems addicted to sniffing behind me. Apparently this will
> continue on for ever how many years, weeks or days it takes one of us
> to die... sounds sadly familiar.
>
> A shame he can't understand that his time would be better spent
> working on his many obvious problems, such as the fact that he writes
> forgetable poetry that will quickly fade and be forgotten as soon as
> he posts it, as usual. Or the fact that he's an assfaced thug wannabe
> intent on wasting my time... luckily I have more than enough to keep
> him smacked down... heh.
>
> Anyway, let's see what garbage he's left dripping from this post like
> the drool on his crone-like chin this morning:
>
> > >> > > you're a bit over the hill at this time.
> >
> > >> Even worse, you're a stupid /and/ senile old man, Rob... spit out
your
> > >> mush and whistle some more for us... heh.
> >
> > >> That's about as likely as you stepping onto a stage
>
> I'll be doing that 15-20 times tonight, actually, Mushmouth, as part
> of the new Sunday night open mic at the Sports Rock Cafe over in
> Ladonia tonight, Mushmouth, introducing performers as well as doing a
> couple of sets of my own. As I mentioned earlier, we'll be making
> digital video of these from now on, to put on a SRC YouTube channel,
> which you'll no doubt slobber and masturbate over for endless hours...
> heh.
>
> > without stumbling and
> >
> > > Depends on which stage, how many fucken wires I'm not fond of stepping
> > > on,
> > > things like that, but looking at your photograph, you're about ready
to
> > > be rolled onstage in a wheelchair, am I right, Mushmouth?
> >
> > Clearly not true
>
> Sorry pal, but your photograph clearly shows your pathetic condition
> of several years ago:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5j4grx
>
> Maybe you've had a face-lift, bought a wig, and had those rotten brown
> teeth pulled and replaced with dentures since then, you still look so
> feeble that I doubt you can walk well enough to make it to the stage,
> much less stand there.
>
> > >> then managing to face the audience
>
> Which you most likely spray with gunk when you burble and whistle-lisp
> your dreary chopped-up-prose pretending to be poetry, and giving small
> children nightmares, since you're the spitting image of a modern day
> Nosferatu?
>
> "We know."
>
> > > Since I'm onstage an average of 3-4 times a week, I'll keep your
advice
> > > in
> > > mind, Mushmouth, but there's certain times when "turning my back" to
the
> > > audience is appropriate (and I'm aware you have no idea what my
> > > situation
> > > as far as stage performance is like, since you no doubt just sit there
> > > inyour wheelchair spittle-spewing the front row of your audience, so
> > > thanks, but
> > > really, no thanks) such as observing and giving a nod to the drummer
for
> > > a particularly great beat, checking out a soloist in a far corner, and
in
> > > general acting as a conductor for musicians who are playing /my/
music.
> >
> > > Miles Davis and Johnny Cash are two great examples of performers who
> > > were noted for facing away from the stage from time-to-time, and of
course I can
> > > add that you're also exagerating, but you're well known to be a
mushmouthed
> > > liar anyhow, and this one's one of your smaller ones... thanks for the
> > > attempt at critique of my stage act, though!
> >
> > You aint them.
>
> Of course not, and thank God I'm not you, either, Mushmouth, since you
> no doubt just sit there in your wheelchair spittle-spewing the front
> row of your audience, who also no doubt wish you'd turn your back on
> them so they wouldn't have to look at that nasty mouth and shrivelled
vulture face of yours.
>
> See you back here soon, Mushmouth, you know you can't stop yourself...
> heh.
>
> you're right-
> this is entertaining, but also pathetic.
> evans can't shake his dockery obsession.
> all of this attention is really his way of
> saying how much he envies you.
> that's what makes it all so pathetic.
> it's no different than the homophobe that
> lashes out day after day then is finally found
> with another man in a public stall.

I don't want to speak ill of the dead so I'll not comment on that except to
agree with you.

> all of these dockery obsessors are secretly envious.
>
> especially the ones that go at him day after day.

And especially the ones who rave about what better writers they are than me,
yet are too ashamed to post anything that might prove that. They know who
they are.

> further, the only reason it all works in the first
> place is because Will answers all of his threads.
> if he killfiled, or ignored the people who hate him,
> usenet would crumble to the ground.
> (i hope that didn't sound too wrong.)
> my point is that it's Will's loyalty to usenet

Usenet is a great, historical archive, in my opinion, and older than the
internet itself... who knows, after the crash, it may even /survive/ the
flash, bells and whistles (and whistle-lisps) of the internet:

http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Usenet

"...Usenet is one of the oldest computer network communications systems
still in widespread use; it existed before the popularization of the
Internet and well before the World Wide Web. Today, almost all Usenet
traffic is carried over the Internet. The format and transmission of Usenet
articles is very similar to that of Internet email messages. However,
whereas email is usually used for one-to-one communication, Usenet is a
many-to-many medium [...] Usenet was invented in 1979 as one application of
the UUCP protocol which allowed Unix machines to exchange data over
telephone lines. The first nodes connected were University of North Carolina
and Duke University [...] The architecture of Usenet is sometimes
characterized as anarchic or as civic/democratic. Some see it as a global
community or collection of online communities. While the views vary, one
shared perspective among the users is of Usenet as an alternative medium to
institutionalized mass communication, more open to participation from a
wider variety of the general public. Usenet can be a tool boosting an
individual's ability to communicate, free from governmental and other
organizational restrains [...] Virtually all messages posted to the Usenet
system are archived and made available in publically-searchable databases on
the World Wide Web. This allows for a great depth of historical records of
news, information, and of the behaviour of individuals who choose to attach
their real name to messages..."

So, yeah, Usenet is a very cool network on an almost unlimited variety of
reasons.

> that allows the dockery obsessors to thrive.

"And there's no such thing as bad publicity... the only bad publicity is no
publicity..." -P.T. Barnum

> the thing that people hate the most about him
> is the thing that makes him a usenet legend.
>
> the same went for hammes.

I miss that old guy, who understood what we're doing here perhaps better
than anyone else. In his literally gazillions of posts, he never failed to
include a link to one of his websites at the bottom for those who wanted to
know more about the man and his work. I learned that from him, along with
many other things.

"We know."

> hey Will,
> cool news about the digital recording and youtube.
> i can't wait to see some cool stuff.
> please provide links as new material arrives.
>
> matt

Heh... you can bet on that. I'm not "in charge" of putting the material out,
just had a role in convincing the owners of the value and importance of
making their little corner of the universe accessable to the rest of y'all,
and even the other parts of the local area in which Sports Rock Cafe is a
new contender in the "live original music & performance" game, and as a part
of developing things on the Alabama side of the river. I pointed out that
more people in places like Japan and germany are likely to tune in than the
folks down the street, also, which is a good thing, too.

--
"Twilight Girl" and other new poetry & music from Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Rob Evans
2009-02-02 12:27:26 UTC
Permalink
"msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
news:OIlhl.3203$***@newsfe17.iad...
>
> "Will Dockery" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1f491dcd-3644-44fb-8af0-***@m12g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> "Rob Evans", mushmouth poet, wrote:
>>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
>>>> "msifg" wrote:
>>
>> > And when someone like Rob "Mushmouth" Evans chimes in, and then it is
>> > revealed how short he comes up as a poet, being a lackluster writer of
>> > dreary chopped-up-prose that pretends to be a poem, and then performs
>> > it
>> > with a gurgling whistle-lisp that sounds like either a stroke victim or
>> > that he has a mouth stuffed with mush, or both, then it just gets
>> > really funny really fast.
>>
>>>>>> he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
>>>>>> however, his technique is filled to the brim
>>>>>> with contempt and smugness.
>>>>>> i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
>>>>>> of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
>>>>>> i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
>>>>>> you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
>>>>>> little ass kissing vulture faced old
>>>>>> fool. you can't even get your insults
>>>>>> strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
>>>>>> then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
>>>>>> photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck is that!
>>
>> > And the photograph is an old one... can you imagine the horror he faces
>> > every morning when he looks in the mirror and sees what new cruel joke
>> > life has played on him the night before?
>>
>> > I wanted to let this pass, and had even thought maybe our "truce" would
>> > last, but the old assface just keeps crawling back, begging for more.
>>
>> > No doubt this will go on for another 5000 post thread of his whining
>> > over his hurt feelings...
>>
>> >> > > if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.
>
> Mushmouth seems addicted to sniffing behind me. Apparently this will
> continue on for ever how many years, weeks or days it takes one of us
> to die... sounds sadly familiar.
>
> A shame he can't understand that his time would be better spent
> working on his many obvious problems, such as the fact that he writes
> forgetable poetry that will quickly fade and be forgotten as soon as
> he posts it, as usual. Or the fact that he's an assfaced thug wannabe
> intent on wasting my time... luckily I have more than enough to keep
> him smacked down... heh.
>
> Anyway, let's see what garbage he's left dripping from this post like
> the drool on his crone-like chin this morning:
>
>> >> > > you're a bit over the hill at this time.
>>
>> >> Even worse, you're a stupid /and/ senile old man, Rob... spit out your
>> >> mush and whistle some more for us... heh.
>>
>> >> That's about as likely as you stepping onto a stage
>
> I'll be doing that 15-20 times tonight, actually, Mushmouth, as part
> of the new Sunday night open mic at the Sports Rock Cafe over in
> Ladonia tonight, Mushmouth, introducing performers as well as doing a
> couple of sets of my own. As I mentioned earlier, we'll be making
> digital video of these from now on, to put on a SRC YouTube channel,
> which you'll no doubt slobber and masturbate over for endless hours...
> heh.
>
>> without stumbling and
>>
>> > Depends on which stage, how many fucken wires I'm not fond of stepping
>> > on,
>> > things like that, but looking at your photograph, you're about ready to
>> > be rolled onstage in a wheelchair, am I right, Mushmouth?
>>
>> Clearly not true
>
> Sorry pal, but your photograph clearly shows your pathetic condition
> of several years ago:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5j4grx
>
> Maybe you've had a face-lift, bought a wig, and had those rotten brown
> teeth pulled and replaced with dentures since then, you still look so
> feeble that I doubt you can walk well enough to make it to the stage,
> much less stand there.
>
>> >> then managing to face the audience
>
> Which you most likely spray with gunk when you burble and whistle-lisp
> your dreary chopped-up-prose pretending to be poetry, and giving small
> children nightmares, since you're the spitting image of a modern day
> Nosferatu?
>
> "We know."
>
>> > Since I'm onstage an average of 3-4 times a week, I'll keep your advice
>> > in
>> > mind, Mushmouth, but there's certain times when "turning my back" to
>> > the
>> > audience is appropriate (and I'm aware you have no idea what my
>> > situation
>> > as far as stage performance is like, since you no doubt just sit there
>> > inyour wheelchair spittle-spewing the front row of your audience, so
>> > thanks, but
>> > really, no thanks) such as observing and giving a nod to the drummer
>> > for a particularly great beat, checking out a soloist in a far corner,
>> > and in
>> > general acting as a conductor for musicians who are playing /my/ music.
>>
>> > Miles Davis and Johnny Cash are two great examples of performers who
>> > were noted for facing away from the stage from time-to-time, and of
>> > course I can
>> > add that you're also exagerating, but you're well known to be a
>> > mushmouthed
>> > liar anyhow, and this one's one of your smaller ones... thanks for the
>> > attempt at critique of my stage act, though!
>>
>> You aint them.
>
> Of course not, and thank God I'm not you, either, Mushmouth, since you
> no doubt just sit there in your wheelchair spittle-spewing the front
> row of your audience, who also no doubt wish you'd turn your back on
> them so they wouldn't have to look at that nasty mouth and shrivelled
> vulture face of yours.
>
> See you back here soon, Mushmouth, you know you can't stop yourself...
> heh.
>
> --
> "Twilight Girl" and other song-poems by Will Dockery:
> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>
>
> you're right-
> this is entertaining, but also pathetic.
> evans can't shake his dockery obsession.

I can't kick his fat arse either - certainly not with your mouth clamped so
firmly on it.

Silly boy.

Rob

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Will Dockery
2009-02-02 17:03:55 UTC
Permalink
"Rob Evans" ***@drool.com wrote:
> "msifg" wrote:
> > "Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>"Rob Evans", mushmouth poet, wrote:
>>>>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
>>>>>> "msifg" wrote:
> >>
> >> > And when someone like Rob "Mushmouth" Evans chimes in, and then it is
> >> > revealed how short he comes up as a poet, being a lackluster writer
of
> >> > dreary chopped-up-prose that pretends to be a poem, and then performs
it
> >> > with a gurgling whistle-lisp that sounds like either a stroke victim
or
> >> > that he has a mouth stuffed with mush, or both, then it just gets
> >> > really funny really fast.
> >>
> >>>>>> he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
> >>>>>> however, his technique is filled to the brim
> >>>>>> with contempt and smugness.
> >>>>>> i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
> >>>>>> of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
> >>>>>> i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
> >>>>>> you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
> >>>>>> little ass kissing vulture faced old
> >>>>>> fool. you can't even get your insults
> >>>>>> strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
> >>>>>> then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
> >>>>>> photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck is that!
> >>
> >> > And the photograph is an old one... can you imagine the horror he
faces
> >> > every morning when he looks in the mirror and sees what new cruel
joke
> >> > life has played on him the night before?
> >>
> >> > I wanted to let this pass, and had even thought maybe our "truce"
would
> >> > last, but the old assface just keeps crawling back, begging for more.
> >>
> >> > No doubt this will go on for another 5000 post thread of his whining
> >> > over his hurt feelings...
> >>
> >> >> > > if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.
> >
> > Mushmouth seems addicted to sniffing behind me. Apparently this will
> > continue on for ever how many years, weeks or days it takes one of us
> > to die... sounds sadly familiar.
> >
> > A shame he can't understand that his time would be better spent
> > working on his many obvious problems, such as the fact that he writes
> > forgetable poetry that will quickly fade and be forgotten as soon as
> > he posts it, as usual. Or the fact that he's an assfaced thug wannabe
> > intent on wasting my time... luckily I have more than enough to keep
> > him smacked down... heh.
> >
> > Anyway, let's see what garbage he's left dripping from this post like
> > the drool on his crone-like chin this morning:
> >
> >> >> > > you're a bit over the hill at this time.
> >>
> >> >> Even worse, you're a stupid /and/ senile old man, Rob... spit out
your
> >> >> mush and whistle some more for us... heh.
> >>
> >> >> That's about as likely as you stepping onto a stage
> >
> > I'll be doing that 15-20 times tonight, actually, Mushmouth, as part
> > of the new Sunday night open mic at the Sports Rock Cafe over in
> > Ladonia tonight, Mushmouth, introducing performers as well as doing a
> > couple of sets of my own. As I mentioned earlier, we'll be making
> > digital video of these from now on, to put on a SRC YouTube channel,
> > which you'll no doubt slobber and masturbate over for endless hours...
> > heh.
> >
> >> without stumbling and
> >>
> >> > Depends on which stage, how many fucken wires I'm not fond of
stepping
> >> > on,
> >> > things like that, but looking at your photograph, you're about ready
to
> >> > be rolled onstage in a wheelchair, am I right, Mushmouth?
> >>
> >> Clearly not true
> >
> > Sorry pal, but your photograph clearly shows your pathetic condition
> > of several years ago:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/5j4grx
> >
> > Maybe you've had a face-lift, bought a wig, and had those rotten brown
> > teeth pulled and replaced with dentures since then, you still look so
> > feeble that I doubt you can walk well enough to make it to the stage,
> > much less stand there.
> >
> >> >> then managing to face the audience
> >
> > Which you most likely spray with gunk when you burble and whistle-lisp
> > your dreary chopped-up-prose pretending to be poetry, and giving small
> > children nightmares, since you're the spitting image of a modern day
> > Nosferatu?
> >
> > "We know."
> >
> >> > Since I'm onstage an average of 3-4 times a week, I'll keep your
advice
> >> > in
> >> > mind, Mushmouth, but there's certain times when "turning my back" to
the
> >> > audience is appropriate (and I'm aware you have no idea what my
situation
> >> > as far as stage performance is like, since you no doubt just sit
there
> >> > inyour wheelchair spittle-spewing the front row of your audience, so
thanks, but
> >> > really, no thanks) such as observing and giving a nod to the drummer
> >> > for a particularly great beat, checking out a soloist in a far
corner, and in
> >> > general acting as a conductor for musicians who are playing /my/
music.
> >>
> >> > Miles Davis and Johnny Cash are two great examples of performers who
> >> > were noted for facing away from the stage from time-to-time, and of
course I can
> >> > add that you're also exagerating, but you're well known to be a
mushmouthed
> >> > liar anyhow, and this one's one of your smaller ones... thanks for
the
> >> > attempt at critique of my stage act, though!
> >>
> >> You aint them.
> >
> > Of course not, and thank God I'm not you, either, Mushmouth, since you
> > no doubt just sit there in your wheelchair spittle-spewing the front
> > row of your audience, who also no doubt wish you'd turn your back on
> > them so they wouldn't have to look at that nasty mouth and shrivelled
vulture face of yours.
> >
> > See you back here soon, Mushmouth, you know you can't stop yourself...
heh.
> >
> > you're right-
> > this is entertaining, but also pathetic.
> > evans can't shake his dockery obsession.
>
> I can't kick his fat arse either -

You wouldn't even have the chance to try, Mushmouth, since I don't fight
crazy old men.

Actually, if you did show up around here, I'd welcome you, offer you a cup
of coffee and invite you onto the stage... a crazy old Englishter reading
poetry might be quite a draw in downtown Smith's Station, Alabama:

http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Image:Smiths-station.jpg

But your admission that you can't shake your "Dockery obsession" is noted,
Mushmouth.

--
"Twilight Girl" and other new poetry & music from Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Rob Evans
2009-02-02 19:44:51 UTC
Permalink
"Will Dockery" <will-dockery-***@knology.net> wrote in message
news:c8761$49872979$4b4c71e9$***@KNOLOGY.NET...
>
> "Rob Evans" ***@drool.com wrote:
>> "msifg" wrote:
>> > "Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>>"Rob Evans", mushmouth poet, wrote:
>>>>>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>>>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
>>>>>>> "msifg" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > And when someone like Rob "Mushmouth" Evans chimes in, and then it
>> >> > is
>> >> > revealed how short he comes up as a poet, being a lackluster writer
> of
>> >> > dreary chopped-up-prose that pretends to be a poem, and then
>> >> > performs
> it
>> >> > with a gurgling whistle-lisp that sounds like either a stroke victim
> or
>> >> > that he has a mouth stuffed with mush, or both, then it just gets
>> >> > really funny really fast.
>> >>
>> >>>>>> he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
>> >>>>>> however, his technique is filled to the brim
>> >>>>>> with contempt and smugness.
>> >>>>>> i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
>> >>>>>> of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
>> >>>>>> i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
>> >>>>>> you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
>> >>>>>> little ass kissing vulture faced old
>> >>>>>> fool. you can't even get your insults
>> >>>>>> strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
>> >>>>>> then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
>> >>>>>> photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck is that!
>> >>
>> >> > And the photograph is an old one... can you imagine the horror he
> faces
>> >> > every morning when he looks in the mirror and sees what new cruel
> joke
>> >> > life has played on him the night before?
>> >>
>> >> > I wanted to let this pass, and had even thought maybe our "truce"
> would
>> >> > last, but the old assface just keeps crawling back, begging for
>> >> > more.
>> >>
>> >> > No doubt this will go on for another 5000 post thread of his whining
>> >> > over his hurt feelings...
>> >>
>> >> >> > > if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.
>> >
>> > Mushmouth seems addicted to sniffing behind me. Apparently this will
>> > continue on for ever how many years, weeks or days it takes one of us
>> > to die... sounds sadly familiar.
>> >
>> > A shame he can't understand that his time would be better spent
>> > working on his many obvious problems, such as the fact that he writes
>> > forgetable poetry that will quickly fade and be forgotten as soon as
>> > he posts it, as usual. Or the fact that he's an assfaced thug wannabe
>> > intent on wasting my time... luckily I have more than enough to keep
>> > him smacked down... heh.
>> >
>> > Anyway, let's see what garbage he's left dripping from this post like
>> > the drool on his crone-like chin this morning:
>> >
>> >> >> > > you're a bit over the hill at this time.
>> >>
>> >> >> Even worse, you're a stupid /and/ senile old man, Rob... spit out
> your
>> >> >> mush and whistle some more for us... heh.
>> >>
>> >> >> That's about as likely as you stepping onto a stage
>> >
>> > I'll be doing that 15-20 times tonight, actually, Mushmouth, as part
>> > of the new Sunday night open mic at the Sports Rock Cafe over in
>> > Ladonia tonight, Mushmouth, introducing performers as well as doing a
>> > couple of sets of my own. As I mentioned earlier, we'll be making
>> > digital video of these from now on, to put on a SRC YouTube channel,
>> > which you'll no doubt slobber and masturbate over for endless hours...
>> > heh.
>> >
>> >> without stumbling and
>> >>
>> >> > Depends on which stage, how many fucken wires I'm not fond of
> stepping
>> >> > on,
>> >> > things like that, but looking at your photograph, you're about ready
> to
>> >> > be rolled onstage in a wheelchair, am I right, Mushmouth?
>> >>
>> >> Clearly not true
>> >
>> > Sorry pal, but your photograph clearly shows your pathetic condition
>> > of several years ago:
>> >
>> > http://tinyurl.com/5j4grx
>> >
>> > Maybe you've had a face-lift, bought a wig, and had those rotten brown
>> > teeth pulled and replaced with dentures since then, you still look so
>> > feeble that I doubt you can walk well enough to make it to the stage,
>> > much less stand there.
>> >
>> >> >> then managing to face the audience
>> >
>> > Which you most likely spray with gunk when you burble and whistle-lisp
>> > your dreary chopped-up-prose pretending to be poetry, and giving small
>> > children nightmares, since you're the spitting image of a modern day
>> > Nosferatu?
>> >
>> > "We know."
>> >
>> >> > Since I'm onstage an average of 3-4 times a week, I'll keep your
> advice
>> >> > in
>> >> > mind, Mushmouth, but there's certain times when "turning my back" to
> the
>> >> > audience is appropriate (and I'm aware you have no idea what my
> situation
>> >> > as far as stage performance is like, since you no doubt just sit
> there
>> >> > inyour wheelchair spittle-spewing the front row of your audience, so
> thanks, but
>> >> > really, no thanks) such as observing and giving a nod to the drummer
>> >> > for a particularly great beat, checking out a soloist in a far
> corner, and in
>> >> > general acting as a conductor for musicians who are playing /my/
> music.
>> >>
>> >> > Miles Davis and Johnny Cash are two great examples of performers who
>> >> > were noted for facing away from the stage from time-to-time, and of
> course I can
>> >> > add that you're also exagerating, but you're well known to be a
> mushmouthed
>> >> > liar anyhow, and this one's one of your smaller ones... thanks for
> the
>> >> > attempt at critique of my stage act, though!
>> >>
>> >> You aint them.
>> >
>> > Of course not, and thank God I'm not you, either, Mushmouth, since you
>> > no doubt just sit there in your wheelchair spittle-spewing the front
>> > row of your audience, who also no doubt wish you'd turn your back on
>> > them so they wouldn't have to look at that nasty mouth and shrivelled
> vulture face of yours.
>> >
>> > See you back here soon, Mushmouth, you know you can't stop yourself...
> heh.
>> >
>> > you're right-
>> > this is entertaining, but also pathetic.
>> > evans can't shake his dockery obsession.
>>
>> I can't kick his fat arse either -
>
> You wouldn't even have the chance to try, Mushmouth, since I don't fight
> crazy old men.

Just as well since you spend your life "performing" to drunks nearly as
physically shambling as yourself.
>
> Actually, if you did show up around here, I'd welcome you, offer you a cup
> of coffee and invite you onto the stage... a crazy old Englishter reading
> poetry might be quite a draw in downtown Smith's Station, Alabama:
>
But your admission that you can't shake your "Dockery obsession" is noted,
> Mushmouth.

I don't have to shake anything. And your narcissitic third party self
reference idoesn't need to be duly noted since you can barely manage any
post that without talking about yourself in that manner.

You confuse, as always, derision with obsession but then you confuse, as
always your unspeakable shit with poetry.
>
Rob

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-----------
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> http://www.me-me-me-space.com/willdockery
>
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Will Dockery
2009-02-02 19:46:01 UTC
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"Rob Evans" ***@drool.com wrote:
>"msifg" wrote:
>> "Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>"Rob Evans", mushmouth poet, wrote:
>>>>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
>>>>>> "msifg" wrote:
>
> >> >> > And when someone like Rob "Mushmouth" Evans chimes in, and then it
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > revealed how short he comes up as a poet, being a lackluster
writer
> > of
> >> >> > dreary chopped-up-prose that pretends to be a poem, and then
> >> >> > performs
> > it
> >> >> > with a gurgling whistle-lisp that sounds like either a stroke
victim
> > or
> >> >> > that he has a mouth stuffed with mush, or both, then it just gets
> >> >> > really funny really fast.
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>> he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
> >> >>>>>> however, his technique is filled to the brim
> >> >>>>>> with contempt and smugness.
> >> >>>>>> i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
> >> >>>>>> of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
> >> >>>>>> i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
> >> >>>>>> you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
> >> >>>>>> little ass kissing vulture faced old
> >> >>>>>> fool. you can't even get your insults
> >> >>>>>> strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
> >> >>>>>> then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
> >> >>>>>> photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck is
that!

Mushmouth wallows in it.

> >> >> > And the photograph is an old one... can you imagine the horror he
faces
> >> >> > every morning when he looks in the mirror and sees what new cruel
joke
> >> >> > life has played on him the night before?
> >> >>
> >> >> > I wanted to let this pass, and had even thought maybe our "truce"
would
> >> >> > last, but the old assface just keeps crawling back, begging for
more.
> >> >>
> >> >> > No doubt this will go on for another 5000 post thread of his
whining
> >> >> > over his hurt feelings...
> >> >>
> >> >> >> > > if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.
> >> >
> >> > Mushmouth seems addicted to sniffing behind me. Apparently this will
> >> > continue on for ever how many years, weeks or days it takes one of us
> >> > to die... sounds sadly familiar.
> >> >
> >> > A shame he can't understand that his time would be better spent
> >> > working on his many obvious problems, such as the fact that he writes
> >> > forgetable poetry that will quickly fade and be forgotten as soon as
> >> > he posts it, as usual. Or the fact that he's an assfaced thug wannabe
> >> > intent on wasting my time... luckily I have more than enough to keep
> >> > him smacked down... heh.
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, let's see what garbage he's left dripping from this post like
> >> > the drool on his crone-like chin this morning:
> >> >
> >> >> >> > > you're a bit over the hill at this time.
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Even worse, you're a stupid /and/ senile old man, Rob... spit out
your
> >> >> >> mush and whistle some more for us... heh.
> >> >>
> >> >> >> That's about as likely as you stepping onto a stage
> >> >
> >> > I'll be doing that 15-20 times tonight, actually, Mushmouth, as part
> >> > of the new Sunday night open mic at the Sports Rock Cafe over in
> >> > Ladonia tonight, Mushmouth, introducing performers as well as doing a
> >> > couple of sets of my own. As I mentioned earlier, we'll be making
> >> > digital video of these from now on, to put on a SRC YouTube channel,
> >> > which you'll no doubt slobber and masturbate over for endless
hours... heh.
> >> >
> >> >> without stumbling and
> >> >>
> >> >> > Depends on which stage, how many fucken wires I'm not fond of
stepping on,
> >> >> > things like that, but looking at your photograph, you're about
ready to
> >> >> > be rolled onstage in a wheelchair, am I right, Mushmouth?
> >> >>
> >> >> Clearly not true
> >> >
> >> > Sorry pal, but your photograph clearly shows your pathetic condition
of several years ago:
> >> >
> >> > http://tinyurl.com/5j4grx
> >> >
> >> > Maybe you've had a face-lift, bought a wig, and had those rotten
brown
> >> > teeth pulled and replaced with dentures since then, you still look so
> >> > feeble that I doubt you can walk well enough to make it to the stage,
much less stand there.
> >> >
> >> >> >> then managing to face the audience
> >> >
> >> > Which you most likely spray with gunk when you burble and
whistle-lisp
> >> > your dreary chopped-up-prose pretending to be poetry, and giving
small
> >> > children nightmares, since you're the spitting image of a modern day
Nosferatu?
> >> >
> >> > "We know."
> >> >
> >> >> > Since I'm onstage an average of 3-4 times a week, I'll keep your
advice in
> >> >> > mind, Mushmouth, but there's certain times when "turning my back"
to the
> >> >> > audience is appropriate (and I'm aware you have no idea what my
situation
> >> >> > as far as stage performance is like, since you no doubt just sit
there
> >> >> > in your wheelchair spittle-spewing the front row of your audience,
so thanks, but
> >> >> > really, no thanks) such as observing and giving a nod to the
drummer
> >> >> > for a particularly great beat, checking out a soloist in a far
corner, and in
> >> >> > general acting as a conductor for musicians who are playing /my/
music.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Miles Davis and Johnny Cash are two great examples of performers
who
> >> >> > were noted for facing away from the stage from time-to-time, and
of course I can
> >> >> > add that you're also exagerating, but you're well known to be a
mushmouthed
> >> >> > liar anyhow, and this one's one of your smaller ones... thanks for
the
> >> >> > attempt at critique of my stage act, though!
> >> >>
> >> >> You aint them.
> >> >
> >> > Of course not, and thank God I'm not you, either, Mushmouth, since
you
> >> > no doubt just sit there in your wheelchair spittle-spewing the front
> >> > row of your audience, who also no doubt wish you'd turn your back on
> >> > them so they wouldn't have to look at that nasty mouth and shrivelled
vulture face of yours.
> >> >
> >> > See you back here soon, Mushmouth, you know you can't stop
yourself... heh.
> >> >
> >> > you're right-
> >> > this is entertaining, but also pathetic.
> >> > evans can't shake his dockery obsession.
> >>
> >> I can't kick his fat arse either -
> >
> > You wouldn't even have the chance to try, Mushmouth, since I don't fight
> > crazy old men.
>
> Just as well since you spend your life "performing" to drunks nearly as
> physically shambling as yourself.

So you've been there or is this another of your fantasies?

"We know" the answer to that, Mushmouth.

> > Actually, if you did show up around here, I'd welcome you, offer you a
cup
> > of coffee and invite you onto the stage... a crazy old Englishter
reading
> > poetry might be quite a draw in downtown Smith's Station, Alabama:
> >
> But your admission that you can't shake your "Dockery obsession" is
noted,
> > Mushmouth.
>
> I don't have to shake anything.

No, feel free to keep spewing your spittle, whistle-lisping your lies, and
wallowing in your pathetic fantasies, Mushmouth.

--
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http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Rob Evans
2009-02-03 11:26:56 UTC
Permalink
Our resident King Dumbass squits
>> >> >
>> >> > Maybe you've had a face-lift, bought a wig, and had those rotten
> brown
>> >> > teeth pulled and replaced with dentures since then, you still look
>> >> > so
>> >> > feeble that I doubt you can walk well enough to make it to the
>> >> > stage,
> much less stand there.

Willy, you're an overweight unattractive unimaginative scribbler of
unspeakable shit.

And it's STILL nobody's fault but your own
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > you're right-
>> >> > this is entertaining, but also pathetic.
>> >> > evans can't shake his dockery obsession.
>> >>
>> >> I can't kick his fat arse either -
>> >
>> > You wouldn't even have the chance to try, Mushmouth, since I don't
>> > fight
>> > crazy old men.
>>
>> Just as well since you spend your life "performing" to drunks nearly as
>> physically shambling as yourself.
>
> So you've been there or is this another of your fantasies?
>
No, you moron. You post links, remember? To vids of you stumbling and
gargling. If you could be heard, nobody would understand but mercifully a
completely uninterested audience makes more noise than you.

>
>> > Actually, if you did show up around here, I'd welcome you, offer you a
> cup
>> > of coffee and invite you onto the stage... a crazy old Englishter
> reading
>> > poetry might be quite a draw in downtown Smith's Station, Alabama:

It would be their first introduction to poetry so the novelty value might
work.
>> >
>> But your admission that you can't shake your "Dockery obsession" is
> noted,
>> > Mushmouth.
>>
>> I don't have to shake anything.
>
> No, feel free to keep spewing your spittle, whistle-lisping your lies, and
> wallowing in your pathetic fantasies, Mushmouth.
>
Poor Willy, none of these distractions will change the fact that you
scribble stuff that most here consider to be unspeakable shit and you then
perform it in a range of silly voices to a small Hicksville non-paying
audience that doesn't care.

Rob
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Barbara's Cat
2009-02-03 14:09:38 UTC
Permalink
Rob Evans wrote:

> Our resident King Dumbass squits
>
> > QUACK!
>
>
> Poor Willy, none of these distractions will change the fact that you
> scribble stuff that most here consider to be unspeakable shit and you then
> perform it in a range of silly voices to a small Hicksville non-paying
> audience that doesn't care.
>
> Rob


Truth: Goober's nemesis.

It took years of running down roads
of mind-blinding substances, but he
finally ran far enough that he can
no longer see it.


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- Goober Duck, 24 Jan 2005
msifg
2009-02-02 21:30:40 UTC
Permalink
"Will Dockery" <will-dockery-***@knology.net> wrote in message
news:c8761$49872979$4b4c71e9$***@KNOLOGY.NET...
>
> "Rob Evans" ***@drool.com wrote:
>> "msifg" wrote:
>> > "Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>>"Rob Evans", mushmouth poet, wrote:
>>>>>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>>>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
>>>>>>> "msifg" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > And when someone like Rob "Mushmouth" Evans chimes in, and then it
>> >> > is
>> >> > revealed how short he comes up as a poet, being a lackluster writer
> of
>> >> > dreary chopped-up-prose that pretends to be a poem, and then
>> >> > performs
> it
>> >> > with a gurgling whistle-lisp that sounds like either a stroke victim
> or
>> >> > that he has a mouth stuffed with mush, or both, then it just gets
>> >> > really funny really fast.
>> >>
>> >>>>>> he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
>> >>>>>> however, his technique is filled to the brim
>> >>>>>> with contempt and smugness.
>> >>>>>> i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
>> >>>>>> of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
>> >>>>>> i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
>> >>>>>> you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
>> >>>>>> little ass kissing vulture faced old
>> >>>>>> fool. you can't even get your insults
>> >>>>>> strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
>> >>>>>> then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
>> >>>>>> photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck is that!
>> >>
>> >> > And the photograph is an old one... can you imagine the horror he
> faces
>> >> > every morning when he looks in the mirror and sees what new cruel
> joke
>> >> > life has played on him the night before?
>> >>
>> >> > I wanted to let this pass, and had even thought maybe our "truce"
> would
>> >> > last, but the old assface just keeps crawling back, begging for
>> >> > more.
>> >>
>> >> > No doubt this will go on for another 5000 post thread of his whining
>> >> > over his hurt feelings...
>> >>
>> >> >> > > if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.
>> >
>> > Mushmouth seems addicted to sniffing behind me. Apparently this will
>> > continue on for ever how many years, weeks or days it takes one of us
>> > to die... sounds sadly familiar.
>> >
>> > A shame he can't understand that his time would be better spent
>> > working on his many obvious problems, such as the fact that he writes
>> > forgetable poetry that will quickly fade and be forgotten as soon as
>> > he posts it, as usual. Or the fact that he's an assfaced thug wannabe
>> > intent on wasting my time... luckily I have more than enough to keep
>> > him smacked down... heh.
>> >
>> > Anyway, let's see what garbage he's left dripping from this post like
>> > the drool on his crone-like chin this morning:
>> >
>> >> >> > > you're a bit over the hill at this time.
>> >>
>> >> >> Even worse, you're a stupid /and/ senile old man, Rob... spit out
> your
>> >> >> mush and whistle some more for us... heh.
>> >>
>> >> >> That's about as likely as you stepping onto a stage
>> >
>> > I'll be doing that 15-20 times tonight, actually, Mushmouth, as part
>> > of the new Sunday night open mic at the Sports Rock Cafe over in
>> > Ladonia tonight, Mushmouth, introducing performers as well as doing a
>> > couple of sets of my own. As I mentioned earlier, we'll be making
>> > digital video of these from now on, to put on a SRC YouTube channel,
>> > which you'll no doubt slobber and masturbate over for endless hours...
>> > heh.
>> >
>> >> without stumbling and
>> >>
>> >> > Depends on which stage, how many fucken wires I'm not fond of
> stepping
>> >> > on,
>> >> > things like that, but looking at your photograph, you're about ready
> to
>> >> > be rolled onstage in a wheelchair, am I right, Mushmouth?
>> >>
>> >> Clearly not true
>> >
>> > Sorry pal, but your photograph clearly shows your pathetic condition
>> > of several years ago:
>> >
>> > http://tinyurl.com/5j4grx
>> >
>> > Maybe you've had a face-lift, bought a wig, and had those rotten brown
>> > teeth pulled and replaced with dentures since then, you still look so
>> > feeble that I doubt you can walk well enough to make it to the stage,
>> > much less stand there.
>> >
>> >> >> then managing to face the audience
>> >
>> > Which you most likely spray with gunk when you burble and whistle-lisp
>> > your dreary chopped-up-prose pretending to be poetry, and giving small
>> > children nightmares, since you're the spitting image of a modern day
>> > Nosferatu?
>> >
>> > "We know."
>> >
>> >> > Since I'm onstage an average of 3-4 times a week, I'll keep your
> advice
>> >> > in
>> >> > mind, Mushmouth, but there's certain times when "turning my back" to
> the
>> >> > audience is appropriate (and I'm aware you have no idea what my
> situation
>> >> > as far as stage performance is like, since you no doubt just sit
> there
>> >> > inyour wheelchair spittle-spewing the front row of your audience, so
> thanks, but
>> >> > really, no thanks) such as observing and giving a nod to the drummer
>> >> > for a particularly great beat, checking out a soloist in a far
> corner, and in
>> >> > general acting as a conductor for musicians who are playing /my/
> music.
>> >>
>> >> > Miles Davis and Johnny Cash are two great examples of performers who
>> >> > were noted for facing away from the stage from time-to-time, and of
> course I can
>> >> > add that you're also exagerating, but you're well known to be a
> mushmouthed
>> >> > liar anyhow, and this one's one of your smaller ones... thanks for
> the
>> >> > attempt at critique of my stage act, though!
>> >>
>> >> You aint them.
>> >
>> > Of course not, and thank God I'm not you, either, Mushmouth, since you
>> > no doubt just sit there in your wheelchair spittle-spewing the front
>> > row of your audience, who also no doubt wish you'd turn your back on
>> > them so they wouldn't have to look at that nasty mouth and shrivelled
> vulture face of yours.
>> >
>> > See you back here soon, Mushmouth, you know you can't stop yourself...
> heh.
>> >
>> > you're right-
>> > this is entertaining, but also pathetic.
>> > evans can't shake his dockery obsession.
>>
>> I can't kick his fat arse either -
>
> You wouldn't even have the chance to try, Mushmouth, since I don't fight
> crazy old men.
>
> Actually, if you did show up around here, I'd welcome you, offer you a cup
> of coffee and invite you onto the stage... a crazy old Englishter reading
> poetry might be quite a draw in downtown Smith's Station, Alabama:
>
> http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Image:Smiths-station.jpg
>
> But your admission that you can't shake your "Dockery obsession" is noted,
> Mushmouth.
>
> --
> "Twilight Girl" and other new poetry & music from Will Dockery:
> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>
>

alabama?

that's about as SOUTH as it gets.

that's almost as south as georgia.

i honestly think there are some folks around those small
towns that still think the War is going on.

confederate flags and high school's named
stonewall high don't help.

haha

i still have yet to visit vicksburg, mississippi as
part of my civil war tour.

i've been to the major sights in the east.

huge history in that neck of the woods.
Will Dockery
2009-02-03 01:36:01 UTC
Permalink
"msifg" wrote:
>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>"Rob Evans", mushmouth poet, wrote:
>>>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
>>>>> "msifg" wrote:
>
> >> >> > And when someone like Rob "Mushmouth" Evans chimes in, and then it
is
> >> >> > revealed how short he comes up as a poet, being a lackluster
writer of
> >> >> > dreary chopped-up-prose that pretends to be a poem, and then
performs it
> >> >> > with a gurgling whistle-lisp that sounds like either a stroke
victim or
> >> >> > that he has a mouth stuffed with mush, or both, then it just gets
really funny really fast.
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>> he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
> >> >>>>>> however, his technique is filled to the brim
> >> >>>>>> with contempt and smugness.
> >> >>>>>> i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
> >> >>>>>> of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
> >> >>>>>> i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
> >> >>>>>> you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
> >> >>>>>> little ass kissing vulture faced old
> >> >>>>>> fool. you can't even get your insults
> >> >>>>>> strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
> >> >>>>>> then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
> >> >>>>>> photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck is
that!
> >> >>
> >> >> > And the photograph is an old one... can you imagine the horror he
faces
> >> >> > every morning when he looks in the mirror and sees what new cruel
joke
> >> >> > life has played on him the night before?
> >> >>
> >> >> > I wanted to let this pass, and had even thought maybe our "truce"
would
> >> >> > last, but the old assface just keeps crawling back, begging for
more.
> >> >>
> >> >> > No doubt this will go on for another 5000 post thread of his
whining
> >> >> > over his hurt feelings...
> >> >>
> >> >> >> > > if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.
> >> >
> >> > Mushmouth seems addicted to sniffing behind me. Apparently this will
> >> > continue on for ever how many years, weeks or days it takes one of us
to die... sounds sadly familiar.
> >> >
> >> > A shame he can't understand that his time would be better spent
> >> > working on his many obvious problems, such as the fact that he writes
> >> > forgetable poetry that will quickly fade and be forgotten as soon as
> >> > he posts it, as usual. Or the fact that he's an assfaced thug wannabe
> >> > intent on wasting my time... luckily I have more than enough to keep
him smacked down... heh.
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, let's see what garbage he's left dripping from this post like
> >> > the drool on his crone-like chin this morning:
> >> >
> >> >> >> > > you're a bit over the hill at this time.
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Even worse, you're a stupid /and/ senile old man, Rob... spit out
your
> >> >> >> mush and whistle some more for us... heh.
> >> >>
> >> >> >> That's about as likely as you stepping onto a stage
> >> >
> >> > I'll be doing that 15-20 times tonight, actually, Mushmouth, as part
> >> > of the new Sunday night open mic at the Sports Rock Cafe over in
> >> > Ladonia tonight, Mushmouth, introducing performers as well as doing a
> >> > couple of sets of my own. As I mentioned earlier, we'll be making
> >> > digital video of these from now on, to put on a SRC YouTube channel,
> >> > which you'll no doubt slobber and masturbate over for endless
hours... heh.
> >> >
> >> >> without stumbling and
> >> >>
> >> >> > Depends on which stage, how many fucken wires I'm not fond of
stepping on,
> >> >> > things like that, but looking at your photograph, you're about
ready to
> >> >> > be rolled onstage in a wheelchair, am I right, Mushmouth?
> >> >>
> >> >> Clearly not true
> >> >
> >> > Sorry pal, but your photograph clearly shows your pathetic condition
> >> > of several years ago:
> >> >
> >> > http://tinyurl.com/5j4grx
> >> >
> >> > Maybe you've had a face-lift, bought a wig, and had those rotten
brown
> >> > teeth pulled and replaced with dentures since then, you still look so
> >> > feeble that I doubt you can walk well enough to make it to the stage,
> >> > much less stand there.
> >> >
> >> >> >> then managing to face the audience
> >> >
> >> > Which you most likely spray with gunk when you burble and
whistle-lisp
> >> > your dreary chopped-up-prose pretending to be poetry, and giving
small
> >> > children nightmares, since you're the spitting image of a modern day
Nosferatu?
> >> >
> >> > "We know."
> >> >
> >> >> > Since I'm onstage an average of 3-4 times a week, I'll keep your
advice in
> >> >> > mind, Mushmouth, but there's certain times when "turning my back"
to the
> >> >> > audience is appropriate (and I'm aware you have no idea what my
situation
> >> >> > as far as stage performance is like, since you no doubt just sit
there
> >> >> > inyour wheelchair spittle-spewing the front row of your audience,
so thanks, but
> >> >> > really, no thanks) such as observing and giving a nod to the
drummer
> >> >> > for a particularly great beat, checking out a soloist in a far
corner, and in
> >> >> > general acting as a conductor for musicians who are playing /my/
music.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Miles Davis and Johnny Cash are two great examples of performers
who
> >> >> > were noted for facing away from the stage from time-to-time, and
of course I can
> >> >> > add that you're also exagerating, but you're well known to be a
mushmouthed
> >> >> > liar anyhow, and this one's one of your smaller ones... thanks for
the
> >> >> > attempt at critique of my stage act, though!
> >> >>
> >> >> You aint them.
> >> >
> >> > Of course not, and thank God I'm not you, either, Mushmouth, since
you
> >> > no doubt just sit there in your wheelchair spittle-spewing the front
> >> > row of your audience, who also no doubt wish you'd turn your back on
> >> > them so they wouldn't have to look at that nasty mouth and shrivelled
> > vulture face of yours.
> >> >
> >> > See you back here soon, Mushmouth, you know you can't stop
yourself... heh.
> >> >
> >> > you're right-
> >> > this is entertaining, but also pathetic.
> >> > evans can't shake his dockery obsession.
> >>
> >> I can't kick his fat arse either -
> >
> > You wouldn't even have the chance to try, Mushmouth, since I don't fight
crazy old men.
> >
> > Actually, if you did show up around here, I'd welcome you, offer you a
cup
> > of coffee and invite you onto the stage... a crazy old Englishter
reading
> > poetry might be quite a draw in downtown Smith's Station, Alabama:
> >
> > http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Image:Smiths-station.jpg

This is downtown Smith's Station where the Del Ranch bar is located, scene
of some great music, including shows with Dockery & Conley.. The country
music singer-songwriter Conway Twitty graduated from high school at
Smith's... I'm not sure if he's known or remembered very much anywhere but
around here but he had some big hits back in the 1960s-70s.

Smith's Station is about 10 miles out of town from here

> > But your admission that you can't shake your "Dockery obsession" is
noted, Mushmouth.
>
> alabama?
>
> that's about as SOUTH as it gets.

Hell, Atlanta is considered North to many folks around here... heh.

Curious, in what part of the world are you located?

> that's almost as south as georgia.

Exactly as far, really. Shadowville (a district of Columbus, Georgia) sits
on the Georgia-Alabama border, seperated by the Chattahoochie River...
Alabama's about a ten minute ride from where I type this, just over the
bridge, in Phenix City:

> i honestly think there are some folks around those small
> towns that still think the War is going on.

As you get out into the country more, absolutely, though with Fort Benning
being here, pretty much /any/ war will do for the folks around here...
Benning's been a big influence on this area since at least WW2, which keeps
a lot of the economy troubles from hitting too hard, with the built-in
income from the thousands of soldiers who come to town to shop. Also, with
so many military people settling and retiring here (including my father, one
of thousands of soldier who married a Southern girl and stayed here with
her) almost everyone it seems is from "someplace else".

> confederate flags and high school's named
> stonewall high don't help.

Oh yeah, Rebel flags are all over the place around here, including (up until
a year or so ago) the Georgia stae flag!

> haha
>
> i still have yet to visit vicksburg, mississippi as
> part of my civil war tour.
>
> i've been to the major sights in the east.
>
> huge history in that neck of the woods.

You might consider adding Shadowville to your tour, since this is the site
of the "last land battle" of the Civil War:

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bellware/

"...The list also includes Columbus, Georgia the location of a little known
engagement that took place on April 16,1865. And, surprising as it sounds,
Columbus is the site of the actual 'Last Battle of the Civil War.' [...] In
short, the battle was the last significant engagement of Wilson's Raid where
Bvt. Maj. General James Harrison Wilson lead three divisions through Alabama
and into Georgia in the Spring of 1865. [...] In short, the battle was the
last significant engagement of Wilson's Raid where Bvt. Maj. General James
Harrison Wilson lead three divisions through Alabama and into Georgia in the
Spring of 1865. The divisions were lead by Generals Emory Upton, Edward
McCook and Eli Long. After taking Selma and Montgomery on April 2 and April
12, 1865 respectively, they headed to Columbus, Georgia, which they
captured. Upton's division was the one most involved in the attack on
Columbus. His brigades were lead by Generals Andrew J. Alexander and Edward
F. Winslow. Major General Howell Cobb commanded the 3,000 Confederate troops
in defense of Columbus.

Alexander's brigade attempted to capture the lower bridge between Girard and
Columbus at about 2 p.m. on Easter Sunday April 16, 1865, but was repulsed.
General Upton decided to try a night assault and received General Wilson's
approval. General Winslow lead the attack on the 14th Street bridge after
dark, about 8 p.m. By 10 p.m. the bridge was captured and Columbus fell.
General Wilson made his headquarters at the Mott House on the river. The
last person killed in the battle was Colonel C.A.L. Lamar of General Cobb's
staff. He was shot from his horse at the foot of the bridge a few yards from
the Mott house. Wilson left for Macon, GA on April 18. Johnston's truce with
Sherman ceased hostilities in that theater before General Wilson arrived in
Macon on April 20, 1865..."

This "last battle" actually led to the creation of Coca-Cola, no kidding:

From the archives:
----
From: WRBRL-TV News Channel 3 (***@cbus.mindspring.com)
Subject: An inch saves Coca-Cola.......?
View: Complete Thread (5 articles)
Newsgroups: alt.history.what-if
Date: 1996/06/18

Just an interesting tidbit. There would be no coke if one stray mini-ball
had hit John Pemberton an inch or two higher.

A week after Lee surrendered at Appomatox and a few days after Lincoln was
shot, a huge force of Union cavalry led by Gen. James Wilson was bearing
down on Columbus, Georgia. It's goal was to strike across the Chattahoochee
River into the heart of Georgia. During the battle, which took place in
Phenix City, Alabama, a Columbus pharmacist named John Pemberton charged
across one of the bridges into the teeth of the Union advance. He was
slashed with a saber and shot. Only the quick thinking of a friend saved
his life by leading him off the field of battle.
The wounds were painful, and Pemberton worked most of his life to find an
adequate pain killer. He experimented with what was thought to be the
miracle drug of the day: coca leaves (cocaine to me and you). He came up
with a concoction some years later in Atlanta. It didn't go over big as a
pain remedy, but did go over big as a fountain drink: it was Coca-Cola. So
the next time you're pondering alternative histories while drinking down a
nice cool coke, remember only by the grace of God are you enjoying a coke.
----

Anyway, if you do happen to make it down this way, I'll give you the tour...
which would mainly involve some excuses to drop in and jam with various
folks, maybe write a song together...

--
"Twilight Girl" and other new poetry & music from Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
msifg
2009-02-03 02:10:25 UTC
Permalink
"Will Dockery" <will-dockery-***@knology.net> wrote in message
news:76e06$4987a18c$4b4c71e9$***@KNOLOGY.NET...
> "msifg" wrote:
>>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>"Rob Evans", mushmouth poet, wrote:
>>>>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
>>>>>> "msifg" wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > And when someone like Rob "Mushmouth" Evans chimes in, and then
>> >> >> > it
> is
>> >> >> > revealed how short he comes up as a poet, being a lackluster
> writer of
>> >> >> > dreary chopped-up-prose that pretends to be a poem, and then
> performs it
>> >> >> > with a gurgling whistle-lisp that sounds like either a stroke
> victim or
>> >> >> > that he has a mouth stuffed with mush, or both, then it just gets
> really funny really fast.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>>>> he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
>> >> >>>>>> however, his technique is filled to the brim
>> >> >>>>>> with contempt and smugness.
>> >> >>>>>> i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
>> >> >>>>>> of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
>> >> >>>>>> i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
>> >> >>>>>> you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
>> >> >>>>>> little ass kissing vulture faced old
>> >> >>>>>> fool. you can't even get your insults
>> >> >>>>>> strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
>> >> >>>>>> then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
>> >> >>>>>> photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck is
> that!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > And the photograph is an old one... can you imagine the horror he
> faces
>> >> >> > every morning when he looks in the mirror and sees what new cruel
> joke
>> >> >> > life has played on him the night before?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I wanted to let this pass, and had even thought maybe our "truce"
> would
>> >> >> > last, but the old assface just keeps crawling back, begging for
> more.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > No doubt this will go on for another 5000 post thread of his
> whining
>> >> >> > over his hurt feelings...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > > if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mushmouth seems addicted to sniffing behind me. Apparently this will
>> >> > continue on for ever how many years, weeks or days it takes one of
>> >> > us
> to die... sounds sadly familiar.
>> >> >
>> >> > A shame he can't understand that his time would be better spent
>> >> > working on his many obvious problems, such as the fact that he
>> >> > writes
>> >> > forgetable poetry that will quickly fade and be forgotten as soon as
>> >> > he posts it, as usual. Or the fact that he's an assfaced thug
>> >> > wannabe
>> >> > intent on wasting my time... luckily I have more than enough to keep
> him smacked down... heh.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyway, let's see what garbage he's left dripping from this post
>> >> > like
>> >> > the drool on his crone-like chin this morning:
>> >> >
>> >> >> >> > > you're a bit over the hill at this time.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Even worse, you're a stupid /and/ senile old man, Rob... spit
>> >> >> >> out
> your
>> >> >> >> mush and whistle some more for us... heh.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> That's about as likely as you stepping onto a stage
>> >> >
>> >> > I'll be doing that 15-20 times tonight, actually, Mushmouth, as part
>> >> > of the new Sunday night open mic at the Sports Rock Cafe over in
>> >> > Ladonia tonight, Mushmouth, introducing performers as well as doing
>> >> > a
>> >> > couple of sets of my own. As I mentioned earlier, we'll be making
>> >> > digital video of these from now on, to put on a SRC YouTube channel,
>> >> > which you'll no doubt slobber and masturbate over for endless
> hours... heh.
>> >> >
>> >> >> without stumbling and
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Depends on which stage, how many fucken wires I'm not fond of
> stepping on,
>> >> >> > things like that, but looking at your photograph, you're about
> ready to
>> >> >> > be rolled onstage in a wheelchair, am I right, Mushmouth?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Clearly not true
>> >> >
>> >> > Sorry pal, but your photograph clearly shows your pathetic condition
>> >> > of several years ago:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://tinyurl.com/5j4grx
>> >> >
>> >> > Maybe you've had a face-lift, bought a wig, and had those rotten
> brown
>> >> > teeth pulled and replaced with dentures since then, you still look
>> >> > so
>> >> > feeble that I doubt you can walk well enough to make it to the
>> >> > stage,
>> >> > much less stand there.
>> >> >
>> >> >> >> then managing to face the audience
>> >> >
>> >> > Which you most likely spray with gunk when you burble and
> whistle-lisp
>> >> > your dreary chopped-up-prose pretending to be poetry, and giving
> small
>> >> > children nightmares, since you're the spitting image of a modern day
> Nosferatu?
>> >> >
>> >> > "We know."
>> >> >
>> >> >> > Since I'm onstage an average of 3-4 times a week, I'll keep your
> advice in
>> >> >> > mind, Mushmouth, but there's certain times when "turning my back"
> to the
>> >> >> > audience is appropriate (and I'm aware you have no idea what my
> situation
>> >> >> > as far as stage performance is like, since you no doubt just sit
> there
>> >> >> > inyour wheelchair spittle-spewing the front row of your audience,
> so thanks, but
>> >> >> > really, no thanks) such as observing and giving a nod to the
> drummer
>> >> >> > for a particularly great beat, checking out a soloist in a far
> corner, and in
>> >> >> > general acting as a conductor for musicians who are playing /my/
> music.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Miles Davis and Johnny Cash are two great examples of performers
> who
>> >> >> > were noted for facing away from the stage from time-to-time, and
> of course I can
>> >> >> > add that you're also exagerating, but you're well known to be a
> mushmouthed
>> >> >> > liar anyhow, and this one's one of your smaller ones... thanks
>> >> >> > for
> the
>> >> >> > attempt at critique of my stage act, though!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You aint them.
>> >> >
>> >> > Of course not, and thank God I'm not you, either, Mushmouth, since
> you
>> >> > no doubt just sit there in your wheelchair spittle-spewing the front
>> >> > row of your audience, who also no doubt wish you'd turn your back on
>> >> > them so they wouldn't have to look at that nasty mouth and
>> >> > shrivelled
>> > vulture face of yours.
>> >> >
>> >> > See you back here soon, Mushmouth, you know you can't stop
> yourself... heh.
>> >> >
>> >> > you're right-
>> >> > this is entertaining, but also pathetic.
>> >> > evans can't shake his dockery obsession.
>> >>
>> >> I can't kick his fat arse either -
>> >
>> > You wouldn't even have the chance to try, Mushmouth, since I don't
>> > fight
> crazy old men.
>> >
>> > Actually, if you did show up around here, I'd welcome you, offer you a
> cup
>> > of coffee and invite you onto the stage... a crazy old Englishter
> reading
>> > poetry might be quite a draw in downtown Smith's Station, Alabama:
>> >
>> > http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Image:Smiths-station.jpg
>
> This is downtown Smith's Station where the Del Ranch bar is located, scene
> of some great music, including shows with Dockery & Conley.. The country
> music singer-songwriter Conway Twitty graduated from high school at
> Smith's... I'm not sure if he's known or remembered very much anywhere but
> around here but he had some big hits back in the 1960s-70s.
>
> Smith's Station is about 10 miles out of town from here
>
>> > But your admission that you can't shake your "Dockery obsession" is
> noted, Mushmouth.
>>
>> alabama?
>>
>> that's about as SOUTH as it gets.
>
> Hell, Atlanta is considered North to many folks around here... heh.
>
> Curious, in what part of the world are you located?
>
>> that's almost as south as georgia.
>
> Exactly as far, really. Shadowville (a district of Columbus, Georgia) sits
> on the Georgia-Alabama border, seperated by the Chattahoochie River...
> Alabama's about a ten minute ride from where I type this, just over the
> bridge, in Phenix City:
>
>> i honestly think there are some folks around those small
>> towns that still think the War is going on.
>
> As you get out into the country more, absolutely, though with Fort Benning
> being here, pretty much /any/ war will do for the folks around here...
> Benning's been a big influence on this area since at least WW2, which
> keeps
> a lot of the economy troubles from hitting too hard, with the built-in
> income from the thousands of soldiers who come to town to shop. Also, with
> so many military people settling and retiring here (including my father,
> one
> of thousands of soldier who married a Southern girl and stayed here with
> her) almost everyone it seems is from "someplace else".
>
>> confederate flags and high school's named
>> stonewall high don't help.
>
> Oh yeah, Rebel flags are all over the place around here, including (up
> until
> a year or so ago) the Georgia stae flag!
>
>> haha
>>
>> i still have yet to visit vicksburg, mississippi as
>> part of my civil war tour.
>>
>> i've been to the major sights in the east.
>>
>> huge history in that neck of the woods.
>
> You might consider adding Shadowville to your tour, since this is the site
> of the "last land battle" of the Civil War:
>
> http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bellware/
>
> "...The list also includes Columbus, Georgia the location of a little
> known
> engagement that took place on April 16,1865. And, surprising as it sounds,
> Columbus is the site of the actual 'Last Battle of the Civil War.' [...]
> In
> short, the battle was the last significant engagement of Wilson's Raid
> where
> Bvt. Maj. General James Harrison Wilson lead three divisions through
> Alabama
> and into Georgia in the Spring of 1865. [...] In short, the battle was the
> last significant engagement of Wilson's Raid where Bvt. Maj. General James
> Harrison Wilson lead three divisions through Alabama and into Georgia in
> the
> Spring of 1865. The divisions were lead by Generals Emory Upton, Edward
> McCook and Eli Long. After taking Selma and Montgomery on April 2 and
> April
> 12, 1865 respectively, they headed to Columbus, Georgia, which they
> captured. Upton's division was the one most involved in the attack on
> Columbus. His brigades were lead by Generals Andrew J. Alexander and
> Edward
> F. Winslow. Major General Howell Cobb commanded the 3,000 Confederate
> troops
> in defense of Columbus.
>
> Alexander's brigade attempted to capture the lower bridge between Girard
> and
> Columbus at about 2 p.m. on Easter Sunday April 16, 1865, but was
> repulsed.
> General Upton decided to try a night assault and received General Wilson's
> approval. General Winslow lead the attack on the 14th Street bridge after
> dark, about 8 p.m. By 10 p.m. the bridge was captured and Columbus fell.
> General Wilson made his headquarters at the Mott House on the river. The
> last person killed in the battle was Colonel C.A.L. Lamar of General
> Cobb's
> staff. He was shot from his horse at the foot of the bridge a few yards
> from
> the Mott house. Wilson left for Macon, GA on April 18. Johnston's truce
> with
> Sherman ceased hostilities in that theater before General Wilson arrived
> in
> Macon on April 20, 1865..."
>
> This "last battle" actually led to the creation of Coca-Cola, no kidding:
>
> From the archives:
> ----
> From: WRBRL-TV News Channel 3 (***@cbus.mindspring.com)
> Subject: An inch saves Coca-Cola.......?
> View: Complete Thread (5 articles)
> Newsgroups: alt.history.what-if
> Date: 1996/06/18
>
> Just an interesting tidbit. There would be no coke if one stray mini-ball
> had hit John Pemberton an inch or two higher.
>
> A week after Lee surrendered at Appomatox and a few days after Lincoln was
> shot, a huge force of Union cavalry led by Gen. James Wilson was bearing
> down on Columbus, Georgia. It's goal was to strike across the
> Chattahoochee
> River into the heart of Georgia. During the battle, which took place in
> Phenix City, Alabama, a Columbus pharmacist named John Pemberton charged
> across one of the bridges into the teeth of the Union advance. He was
> slashed with a saber and shot. Only the quick thinking of a friend saved
> his life by leading him off the field of battle.
> The wounds were painful, and Pemberton worked most of his life to find an
> adequate pain killer. He experimented with what was thought to be the
> miracle drug of the day: coca leaves (cocaine to me and you). He came up
> with a concoction some years later in Atlanta. It didn't go over big as a
> pain remedy, but did go over big as a fountain drink: it was Coca-Cola. So
> the next time you're pondering alternative histories while drinking down a
> nice cool coke, remember only by the grace of God are you enjoying a coke.
> ----
>
> Anyway, if you do happen to make it down this way, I'll give you the
> tour...
> which would mainly involve some excuses to drop in and jam with various
> folks, maybe write a song together...
>
> --
> "Twilight Girl" and other new poetry & music from Will Dockery:
> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>
>


i'm a southwestern soul.

born in los angeles, lived most of my life in phoenix, az.

i tried moving around, but the desert always sucked me back in.

i know allot of other desert dwellers, but many folks come
out here and don't have a taste for it. i suppose the heat
has something to do with that. to be honest, i don't even
notice it anymore. i've lived out here most of my life.


that's some really cool history there. i especially liked
the part about coca-cola. thanks for sharing. i'm definitely
going to make it out there at some point. thanks for offering
to give a tour and jam out. that sounds cool.

that part of the country, world is steeped in history. i know
southerners really enjoy history. they have allot to be proud of.
although, some people like to paint the War as only civil, others
make the case the it was between states. i like to think of it
as one of the most painful and extreme moments in our countries
history. it defines us as a nation. and anyone who denies that
fact is oblivious to the reality of the situation. no amount
of economic misery or 911 attacks will EVER compare to the misery
felt during those times. while it may be an embarrassing
moment in our history, it also set the precedent of what kind
of nation we were going to become.

we are, whether we like it or not, a nation that "frees" other
nations. anyone think it's a joke? think a little harder.
the problem is that usually when we try to "free" them, we
simultaneously oppress them. the logic is that one nation cannot
set another nation free. it can only show it the road. the
oppressed nation must fight there own "revolutionary war" to
get there. that's when we step in like france did for us and
"save the day."

free iraq;
free Afghanistan;
free Kuwait;
free the slaves;
free the colonists;
free german people;
free japan;
free Somalia;
free the south Vietnamese;


and yet, can we really free anything if we're trapped
in the bondage of greed and money in exchange for happiness?
can we call ourselves free when we're ruled by commercial
television which orders us to go out and buy until we
go into bankruptcy? what kind of "freedom" did we end up
with?

free the u.s.a.

"free your mind and your ass will follow."
Will Dockery
2009-02-03 02:36:21 UTC
Permalink
"msifg" wrote:
>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>"Rob Evans", mushmouth poet, wrote:
>>>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
>>>>> "msifg" wrote:

<snip for brevity>

> >> > Actually, if you did show up around here, I'd welcome you, offer you
a cup
> >> > of coffee and invite you onto the stage... a crazy old Englishter
reading
> >> > poetry might be quite a draw in downtown Smith's Station, Alabama:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Image:Smiths-station.jpg
> >
> > This is downtown Smith's Station where the Del Ranch bar is located,
scene
> > of some great music, including shows with Dockery & Conley.. The country
> > music singer-songwriter Conway Twitty graduated from high school at
> > Smith's... I'm not sure if he's known or remembered very much anywhere
but
> > around here but he had some big hits back in the 1960s-70s.
> >
> > Smith's Station is about 10 miles out of town from here
> >
> >> > But your admission that you can't shake your "Dockery obsession" is
> > noted, Mushmouth.
> >>
> >> alabama?
> >>
> >> that's about as SOUTH as it gets.
> >
> > Hell, Atlanta is considered North to many folks around here... heh.
> >
> > Curious, in what part of the world are you located?
> >
> >> that's almost as south as georgia.
> >
> > Exactly as far, really. Shadowville (a district of Columbus, Georgia)
sits
> > on the Georgia-Alabama border, seperated by the Chattahoochie River...
> > Alabama's about a ten minute ride from where I type this, just over the
> > bridge, in Phenix City:
> >
> >> i honestly think there are some folks around those small
> >> towns that still think the War is going on.
> >
> > As you get out into the country more, absolutely, though with Fort
Benning
> > being here, pretty much /any/ war will do for the folks around here...
> > Benning's been a big influence on this area since at least WW2, which
keeps
> > a lot of the economy troubles from hitting too hard, with the built-in
> > income from the thousands of soldiers who come to town to shop. Also,
with
> > so many military people settling and retiring here (including my father,
> > one
> > of thousands of soldier who married a Southern girl and stayed here with
> > her) almost everyone it seems is from "someplace else".
> >
> >> confederate flags and high school's named
> >> stonewall high don't help.
> >
> > Oh yeah, Rebel flags are all over the place around here, including (up
> > until
> > a year or so ago) the Georgia stae flag!
> >
> >> haha
> >>
> >> i still have yet to visit vicksburg, mississippi as
> >> part of my civil war tour.
> >>
> >> i've been to the major sights in the east.
> >>
> >> huge history in that neck of the woods.
> >
> > You might consider adding Shadowville to your tour, since this is the
site
> > of the "last land battle" of the Civil War:
> >
> > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bellware/
> >
> > "...The list also includes Columbus, Georgia the location of a little
> > known
> > engagement that took place on April 16,1865. And, surprising as it
sounds,
> > Columbus is the site of the actual 'Last Battle of the Civil War.' [...]
> > In
> > short, the battle was the last significant engagement of Wilson's Raid
> > where
> > Bvt. Maj. General James Harrison Wilson lead three divisions through
> > Alabama
> > and into Georgia in the Spring of 1865. [...] In short, the battle was
the
> > last significant engagement of Wilson's Raid where Bvt. Maj. General
James
> > Harrison Wilson lead three divisions through Alabama and into Georgia in
> > the
> > Spring of 1865. The divisions were lead by Generals Emory Upton, Edward
> > McCook and Eli Long. After taking Selma and Montgomery on April 2 and
> > April
> > 12, 1865 respectively, they headed to Columbus, Georgia, which they
> > captured. Upton's division was the one most involved in the attack on
> > Columbus. His brigades were lead by Generals Andrew J. Alexander and
> > Edward
> > F. Winslow. Major General Howell Cobb commanded the 3,000 Confederate
> > troops
> > in defense of Columbus.
> >
> > Alexander's brigade attempted to capture the lower bridge between Girard
> > and
> > Columbus at about 2 p.m. on Easter Sunday April 16, 1865, but was
> > repulsed.
> > General Upton decided to try a night assault and received General
Wilson's
> > approval. General Winslow lead the attack on the 14th Street bridge
after
> > dark, about 8 p.m. By 10 p.m. the bridge was captured and Columbus fell.
> > General Wilson made his headquarters at the Mott House on the river. The
> > last person killed in the battle was Colonel C.A.L. Lamar of General
> > Cobb's
> > staff. He was shot from his horse at the foot of the bridge a few yards
> > from
> > the Mott house. Wilson left for Macon, GA on April 18. Johnston's truce
> > with
> > Sherman ceased hostilities in that theater before General Wilson arrived
> > in
> > Macon on April 20, 1865..."
> >
> > This "last battle" actually led to the creation of Coca-Cola, no
kidding:
> >
> > From the archives:
> > ----
> > From: WRBRL-TV News Channel 3 (***@cbus.mindspring.com)
> > Subject: An inch saves Coca-Cola.......?
> > View: Complete Thread (5 articles)
> > Newsgroups: alt.history.what-if
> > Date: 1996/06/18
> >
> > Just an interesting tidbit. There would be no coke if one stray
mini-ball
> > had hit John Pemberton an inch or two higher.
> >
> > A week after Lee surrendered at Appomatox and a few days after Lincoln
was
> > shot, a huge force of Union cavalry led by Gen. James Wilson was bearing
> > down on Columbus, Georgia. It's goal was to strike across the
> > Chattahoochee
> > River into the heart of Georgia. During the battle, which took place in
> > Phenix City, Alabama, a Columbus pharmacist named John Pemberton charged
> > across one of the bridges into the teeth of the Union advance. He was
> > slashed with a saber and shot. Only the quick thinking of a friend
saved
> > his life by leading him off the field of battle.
> > The wounds were painful, and Pemberton worked most of his life to find
an
> > adequate pain killer. He experimented with what was thought to be the
> > miracle drug of the day: coca leaves (cocaine to me and you). He came
up
> > with a concoction some years later in Atlanta. It didn't go over big as
a
> > pain remedy, but did go over big as a fountain drink: it was Coca-Cola.
So
> > the next time you're pondering alternative histories while drinking down
a
> > nice cool coke, remember only by the grace of God are you enjoying a
coke.
> > ----
> >
> > Anyway, if you do happen to make it down this way, I'll give you the
> > tour...
> > which would mainly involve some excuses to drop in and jam with various
> > folks, maybe write a song together...
> >
> > --
> > "Twilight Girl" and other new poetry & music from Will Dockery:
> > http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>
> i'm a southwestern soul.
>
> born in los angeles, lived most of my life in phoenix, az.

Interesting, I was thinking about Phoenix just today, when I found myself
reading about Alice Cooper, of all people (Bob Dylan in an interview once
called him one of the "overlooked songwriters"), who spent most of his early
years (along with the original AC band) there, and in fact had his first
minor hit locally, there.

I don't remember what got me into reading about Alice after not really
thinking much about him for at least 30 years, but his story's pretty
interesting. Here's a bit on his days in Phoenix:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Cooper

"...After a series of childhood illnesses, Furnier and his family moved to
Phoenix, Arizona. After Washington Elementary School, Furnier attended
Cortez High School in northern Phoenix. He was also a member of the Order of
DeMolay [...] In 1964, at the age of 16, Furnier was eager to take part in
the local annual Letterman's talent show and gathered fellow cross-country
teammates from the school to form a group for the show.[9] They named
themselves The Earwigs, and since they didn't know how to play any
instruments at the time, they dressed up like The Beatles and mimed their
performance to Beatles songs. As a result of winning the talent show and
loving the experience of being onstage, the group immediately proceeded to
learn how to play instruments they acquired from a local pawn shop and soon
renamed themselves The Spiders, featuring Furnier on vocals and harmonica,
Glen Buxton on lead guitar, John Tatum on rhythm guitar, Dennis Dunaway on
bass guitar, and John Speer on drums.[10] Musically, the group were inspired
by artists such as The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Janis Joplin, The Who,
The Kinks, and The Yardbirds. For the next year the band performed regularly
around the Phoenix area with a huge black spider's web as their backdrop,
the group's first stage prop. In 1965 they also recorded their first single
"Why Don't You Love Me" (originally performed by The Blackwells), with
Furnier learning the harmonica for the song. [...] In 1966, the members of
The Spiders graduated from Cortez High School. After North High School
footballer Michael Bruce replaced John Tatum on rhythm guitar, the band
scored a local #1 radio hit with "Don't Blow Your Mind", an original
composition from their second single release. By 1967, the band had begun to
make regular roadtrips to Los Angeles, California to play shows. They soon
renamed themselves The Nazz and released the single 'Wonder Who's Lovin' Her
Now..."

Anyway, no doubt that's of limited interest besides the Phoenix reference...

> i tried moving around, but the desert always sucked me back in.
>
> i know allot of other desert dwellers, but many folks come
> out here and don't have a taste for it. i suppose the heat
> has something to do with that. to be honest, i don't even
> notice it anymore. i've lived out here most of my life.

I hear a lot about the "dry heat" out there, where the heat here is
"oppressively humid"... "muggy".

> that's some really cool history there. i especially liked
> the part about coca-cola. thanks for sharing. i'm definitely
> going to make it out there at some point. thanks for offering
> to give a tour and jam out. that sounds cool.
>
> that part of the country, world is steeped in history. i know
> southerners really enjoy history. they have allot to be proud of.
> although, some people like to paint the War as only civil, others
> make the case the it was between states. i like to think of it
> as one of the most painful and extreme moments in our countries
> history. it defines us as a nation. and anyone who denies that
> fact is oblivious to the reality of the situation. no amount
> of economic misery or 911 attacks will EVER compare to the misery
> felt during those times. while it may be an embarrassing
> moment in our history, it also set the precedent of what kind
> of nation we were going to become.
>
> we are, whether we like it or not, a nation that "frees" other
> nations. anyone think it's a joke? think a little harder.
> the problem is that usually when we try to "free" them, we
> simultaneously oppress them. the logic is that one nation cannot
> set another nation free. it can only show it the road. the
> oppressed nation must fight there own "revolutionary war" to
> get there. that's when we step in like france did for us and
> "save the day."
>
> free iraq;
> free Afghanistan;
> free Kuwait;
> free the slaves;
> free the colonists;
> free german people;
> free japan;
> free Somalia;
> free the south Vietnamese;
>
> and yet, can we really free anything if we're trapped
> in the bondage of greed and money in exchange for happiness?
> can we call ourselves free when we're ruled by commercial
> television which orders us to go out and buy until we
> go into bankruptcy? what kind of "freedom" did we end up
> with?
>
> free the u.s.a.
>
> "free your mind and your ass will follow."

Well put, and I'll return to this post on my return... the night is slipping
by and I have to get out to George Sulzbach's to check on how his cover art
for the CD, and his ideas for spot illos in the lyric booklet are coming
along... we'd hoped he'd make it to the show last night at Sports Rock Cafe
to get some sketches, but he's really the hermit type, living way out in the
country with his art.

No doubt I'll have a couple more of GB's stupid "Orsen Wells" imitations to
laugh at before I close down, also... may let those dangle a bit, since
they're rapidly degenerating to blubbering one-liners, as usual... heh.

Ever notice that those two (GB & OWCC) never post at the same time, but
their content and writing style is exactly the same?

Interesting.

--
"Twilight Girl" and other new poetry & music from Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
msifg
2009-02-03 03:47:45 UTC
Permalink
"Will Dockery" <will-dockery-***@knology.net> wrote in message
news:87c28$4987afa8$4b4c71e9$***@KNOLOGY.NET...
> "msifg" wrote:
>>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>"Rob Evans", mushmouth poet, wrote:
>>>>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
>>>>>> "msifg" wrote:
>
> <snip for brevity>
>
>> >> > Actually, if you did show up around here, I'd welcome you, offer you
> a cup
>> >> > of coffee and invite you onto the stage... a crazy old Englishter
> reading
>> >> > poetry might be quite a draw in downtown Smith's Station, Alabama:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Image:Smiths-station.jpg
>> >
>> > This is downtown Smith's Station where the Del Ranch bar is located,
> scene
>> > of some great music, including shows with Dockery & Conley.. The
>> > country
>> > music singer-songwriter Conway Twitty graduated from high school at
>> > Smith's... I'm not sure if he's known or remembered very much anywhere
> but
>> > around here but he had some big hits back in the 1960s-70s.
>> >
>> > Smith's Station is about 10 miles out of town from here
>> >
>> >> > But your admission that you can't shake your "Dockery obsession" is
>> > noted, Mushmouth.
>> >>
>> >> alabama?
>> >>
>> >> that's about as SOUTH as it gets.
>> >
>> > Hell, Atlanta is considered North to many folks around here... heh.
>> >
>> > Curious, in what part of the world are you located?
>> >
>> >> that's almost as south as georgia.
>> >
>> > Exactly as far, really. Shadowville (a district of Columbus, Georgia)
> sits
>> > on the Georgia-Alabama border, seperated by the Chattahoochie River...
>> > Alabama's about a ten minute ride from where I type this, just over the
>> > bridge, in Phenix City:
>> >
>> >> i honestly think there are some folks around those small
>> >> towns that still think the War is going on.
>> >
>> > As you get out into the country more, absolutely, though with Fort
> Benning
>> > being here, pretty much /any/ war will do for the folks around here...
>> > Benning's been a big influence on this area since at least WW2, which
> keeps
>> > a lot of the economy troubles from hitting too hard, with the built-in
>> > income from the thousands of soldiers who come to town to shop. Also,
> with
>> > so many military people settling and retiring here (including my
>> > father,
>> > one
>> > of thousands of soldier who married a Southern girl and stayed here
>> > with
>> > her) almost everyone it seems is from "someplace else".
>> >
>> >> confederate flags and high school's named
>> >> stonewall high don't help.
>> >
>> > Oh yeah, Rebel flags are all over the place around here, including (up
>> > until
>> > a year or so ago) the Georgia stae flag!
>> >
>> >> haha
>> >>
>> >> i still have yet to visit vicksburg, mississippi as
>> >> part of my civil war tour.
>> >>
>> >> i've been to the major sights in the east.
>> >>
>> >> huge history in that neck of the woods.
>> >
>> > You might consider adding Shadowville to your tour, since this is the
> site
>> > of the "last land battle" of the Civil War:
>> >
>> > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bellware/
>> >
>> > "...The list also includes Columbus, Georgia the location of a little
>> > known
>> > engagement that took place on April 16,1865. And, surprising as it
> sounds,
>> > Columbus is the site of the actual 'Last Battle of the Civil War.'
>> > [...]
>> > In
>> > short, the battle was the last significant engagement of Wilson's Raid
>> > where
>> > Bvt. Maj. General James Harrison Wilson lead three divisions through
>> > Alabama
>> > and into Georgia in the Spring of 1865. [...] In short, the battle was
> the
>> > last significant engagement of Wilson's Raid where Bvt. Maj. General
> James
>> > Harrison Wilson lead three divisions through Alabama and into Georgia
>> > in
>> > the
>> > Spring of 1865. The divisions were lead by Generals Emory Upton, Edward
>> > McCook and Eli Long. After taking Selma and Montgomery on April 2 and
>> > April
>> > 12, 1865 respectively, they headed to Columbus, Georgia, which they
>> > captured. Upton's division was the one most involved in the attack on
>> > Columbus. His brigades were lead by Generals Andrew J. Alexander and
>> > Edward
>> > F. Winslow. Major General Howell Cobb commanded the 3,000 Confederate
>> > troops
>> > in defense of Columbus.
>> >
>> > Alexander's brigade attempted to capture the lower bridge between
>> > Girard
>> > and
>> > Columbus at about 2 p.m. on Easter Sunday April 16, 1865, but was
>> > repulsed.
>> > General Upton decided to try a night assault and received General
> Wilson's
>> > approval. General Winslow lead the attack on the 14th Street bridge
> after
>> > dark, about 8 p.m. By 10 p.m. the bridge was captured and Columbus
>> > fell.
>> > General Wilson made his headquarters at the Mott House on the river.
>> > The
>> > last person killed in the battle was Colonel C.A.L. Lamar of General
>> > Cobb's
>> > staff. He was shot from his horse at the foot of the bridge a few yards
>> > from
>> > the Mott house. Wilson left for Macon, GA on April 18. Johnston's truce
>> > with
>> > Sherman ceased hostilities in that theater before General Wilson
>> > arrived
>> > in
>> > Macon on April 20, 1865..."
>> >
>> > This "last battle" actually led to the creation of Coca-Cola, no
> kidding:
>> >
>> > From the archives:
>> > ----
>> > From: WRBRL-TV News Channel 3 (***@cbus.mindspring.com)
>> > Subject: An inch saves Coca-Cola.......?
>> > View: Complete Thread (5 articles)
>> > Newsgroups: alt.history.what-if
>> > Date: 1996/06/18
>> >
>> > Just an interesting tidbit. There would be no coke if one stray
> mini-ball
>> > had hit John Pemberton an inch or two higher.
>> >
>> > A week after Lee surrendered at Appomatox and a few days after Lincoln
> was
>> > shot, a huge force of Union cavalry led by Gen. James Wilson was
>> > bearing
>> > down on Columbus, Georgia. It's goal was to strike across the
>> > Chattahoochee
>> > River into the heart of Georgia. During the battle, which took place
>> > in
>> > Phenix City, Alabama, a Columbus pharmacist named John Pemberton
>> > charged
>> > across one of the bridges into the teeth of the Union advance. He was
>> > slashed with a saber and shot. Only the quick thinking of a friend
> saved
>> > his life by leading him off the field of battle.
>> > The wounds were painful, and Pemberton worked most of his life to find
> an
>> > adequate pain killer. He experimented with what was thought to be the
>> > miracle drug of the day: coca leaves (cocaine to me and you). He came
> up
>> > with a concoction some years later in Atlanta. It didn't go over big
>> > as
> a
>> > pain remedy, but did go over big as a fountain drink: it was Coca-Cola.
> So
>> > the next time you're pondering alternative histories while drinking
>> > down
> a
>> > nice cool coke, remember only by the grace of God are you enjoying a
> coke.
>> > ----
>> >
>> > Anyway, if you do happen to make it down this way, I'll give you the
>> > tour...
>> > which would mainly involve some excuses to drop in and jam with various
>> > folks, maybe write a song together...
>> >
>> > --
>> > "Twilight Girl" and other new poetry & music from Will Dockery:
>> > http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>>
>> i'm a southwestern soul.
>>
>> born in los angeles, lived most of my life in phoenix, az.
>
> Interesting, I was thinking about Phoenix just today, when I found myself
> reading about Alice Cooper, of all people (Bob Dylan in an interview once
> called him one of the "overlooked songwriters"), who spent most of his
> early
> years (along with the original AC band) there, and in fact had his first
> minor hit locally, there.
>
> I don't remember what got me into reading about Alice after not really
> thinking much about him for at least 30 years, but his story's pretty
> interesting. Here's a bit on his days in Phoenix:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Cooper
>
> "...After a series of childhood illnesses, Furnier and his family moved to
> Phoenix, Arizona. After Washington Elementary School, Furnier attended
> Cortez High School in northern Phoenix. He was also a member of the Order
> of
> DeMolay [...] In 1964, at the age of 16, Furnier was eager to take part in
> the local annual Letterman's talent show and gathered fellow cross-country
> teammates from the school to form a group for the show.[9] They named
> themselves The Earwigs, and since they didn't know how to play any
> instruments at the time, they dressed up like The Beatles and mimed their
> performance to Beatles songs. As a result of winning the talent show and
> loving the experience of being onstage, the group immediately proceeded to
> learn how to play instruments they acquired from a local pawn shop and
> soon
> renamed themselves The Spiders, featuring Furnier on vocals and harmonica,
> Glen Buxton on lead guitar, John Tatum on rhythm guitar, Dennis Dunaway on
> bass guitar, and John Speer on drums.[10] Musically, the group were
> inspired
> by artists such as The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Janis Joplin, The Who,
> The Kinks, and The Yardbirds. For the next year the band performed
> regularly
> around the Phoenix area with a huge black spider's web as their backdrop,
> the group's first stage prop. In 1965 they also recorded their first
> single
> "Why Don't You Love Me" (originally performed by The Blackwells), with
> Furnier learning the harmonica for the song. [...] In 1966, the members of
> The Spiders graduated from Cortez High School. After North High School
> footballer Michael Bruce replaced John Tatum on rhythm guitar, the band
> scored a local #1 radio hit with "Don't Blow Your Mind", an original
> composition from their second single release. By 1967, the band had begun
> to
> make regular roadtrips to Los Angeles, California to play shows. They soon
> renamed themselves The Nazz and released the single 'Wonder Who's Lovin'
> Her
> Now..."
>
> Anyway, no doubt that's of limited interest besides the Phoenix
> reference...
>
>> i tried moving around, but the desert always sucked me back in.
>>
>> i know allot of other desert dwellers, but many folks come
>> out here and don't have a taste for it. i suppose the heat
>> has something to do with that. to be honest, i don't even
>> notice it anymore. i've lived out here most of my life.
>
> I hear a lot about the "dry heat" out there, where the heat here is
> "oppressively humid"... "muggy".
>
>> that's some really cool history there. i especially liked
>> the part about coca-cola. thanks for sharing. i'm definitely
>> going to make it out there at some point. thanks for offering
>> to give a tour and jam out. that sounds cool.
>>
>> that part of the country, world is steeped in history. i know
>> southerners really enjoy history. they have allot to be proud of.
>> although, some people like to paint the War as only civil, others
>> make the case the it was between states. i like to think of it
>> as one of the most painful and extreme moments in our countries
>> history. it defines us as a nation. and anyone who denies that
>> fact is oblivious to the reality of the situation. no amount
>> of economic misery or 911 attacks will EVER compare to the misery
>> felt during those times. while it may be an embarrassing
>> moment in our history, it also set the precedent of what kind
>> of nation we were going to become.
>>
>> we are, whether we like it or not, a nation that "frees" other
>> nations. anyone think it's a joke? think a little harder.
>> the problem is that usually when we try to "free" them, we
>> simultaneously oppress them. the logic is that one nation cannot
>> set another nation free. it can only show it the road. the
>> oppressed nation must fight there own "revolutionary war" to
>> get there. that's when we step in like france did for us and
>> "save the day."
>>
>> free iraq;
>> free Afghanistan;
>> free Kuwait;
>> free the slaves;
>> free the colonists;
>> free german people;
>> free japan;
>> free Somalia;
>> free the south Vietnamese;
>>
>> and yet, can we really free anything if we're trapped
>> in the bondage of greed and money in exchange for happiness?
>> can we call ourselves free when we're ruled by commercial
>> television which orders us to go out and buy until we
>> go into bankruptcy? what kind of "freedom" did we end up
>> with?
>>
>> free the u.s.a.
>>
>> "free your mind and your ass will follow."
>
> Well put, and I'll return to this post on my return... the night is
> slipping
> by and I have to get out to George Sulzbach's to check on how his cover
> art
> for the CD, and his ideas for spot illos in the lyric booklet are coming
> along... we'd hoped he'd make it to the show last night at Sports Rock
> Cafe
> to get some sketches, but he's really the hermit type, living way out in
> the
> country with his art.
>
> No doubt I'll have a couple more of GB's stupid "Orsen Wells" imitations
> to
> laugh at before I close down, also... may let those dangle a bit, since
> they're rapidly degenerating to blubbering one-liners, as usual... heh.
>
> Ever notice that those two (GB & OWCC) never post at the same time, but
> their content and writing style is exactly the same?
>
> Interesting.
>
> --
> "Twilight Girl" and other new poetry & music from Will Dockery:
> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>
>


it's the dark side.

they claim that the people of their choosing don't
know how to write. they claim that people of their
choosing are stupid and illiterate.

they make all kinds of claims, but rarely if ever
post anything but drivel on their side of things.
evans farts out a poem a year if that.
wells, well...nothing but drivel.
gamble? drivel.
sherman? drivel.
b's cat? drivel.


now, ross, karla, jeanne and houstman DO write.
however, how come it is that just because they
write means everybody of their choosing sucks?
that's bullshit.

i notice, especially, that you go out of your way
to point to "good" poems by them. however, they
rarely, if ever, have anything good to say about
yours.

the same goes with goerge.
he's very diplomatic with those people.
however, they act like they're the fuckin
second coming all rolled up into one.

they can say i whine all they want.
i've got my opinions.
they think i'm influenced by you.
that's bullshit. i don't kiss anybody's
ass around here. i'm a floater.
however, i HATE egotistical assholes.
i suppose that's why i gravitate in your
direction. same with george.

if it's about "sides," i'm on the side
of people who don't show off, or get
too egotistical. i'm also on the side
of those who enjoy sharing more than
comparing creative writing, especially
on an open forum where trolls and k00ks
flourish.

anyway...

sorry i have to limit the number of newsgroups
i respond to. i still have yet to tweak my
"preferences" section in outlook.
On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
2009-02-03 16:27:56 UTC
Permalink
In article <x7Phl.3610$***@newsfe04.iad>, msifg says...


>they claim that the people of their choosing don't
>know how to write.

they don't. it's pretty obvious.

>they claim that people of their
>choosing are stupid and illiterate.

hey, it wasn't MY idea to give the mud-people access to the internet.

>they make all kinds of claims, but rarely if ever
>post anything but drivel on their side of things.
>evans farts out a poem a year if that.
>wells, well...nothing but drivel.
>gamble? drivel.
>sherman? drivel.
>b's cat? drivel.

that's only because we're the meanest of people. if we were nice, you would say
nice things about us, and tell us how wonderful we are, as long as we played
along and told you how wonderful YOU are.

it really does frighten me how right i am all the time.

>now, ross, karla, jeanne and houstman DO write.

indeed. very well. so do Mr. Evans and Gamble.

and if Rob and Gary and all the others told you and your union of mud-people
that you were good writers, you wouldn't be posting this amusing whine.

you're just mad because you want everyone to enable the high school circle-jerk
you believe this should be. sorry, life is hard, then you end up writing
laughable shit and being mocked by people intellectually superior to you.

>however, how come it is that just because they
>write means everybody of their choosing sucks?
>that's bullshit.

because what they write actually has some merit. they actually put some effort
into it.

what you and the congress of subhuman clowns submit is shit.. and you want us to
throw you a parade just because you posted something on a usenet group. sorry,
dumbass, the world does not work that way.


>i notice, especially, that you go out of your way
>to point to "good" poems by them. however, they
>rarely, if ever, have anything good to say about
>yours.

YEAH!!! it's a conspiracy to crush your literary genius, huh?

>the same goes with goerge.
>he's very diplomatic with those people.
>however, they act like they're the fuckin
>second coming all rolled up into one.

i must assume you don't have a clue what the word "diplomatic" means.

>they can say i whine all they want.
>i've got my opinions.

that's what you call those... most interesting.

>they think i'm influenced by you.
>that's bullshit. i don't kiss anybody's
>ass around here. i'm a floater.
>however, i HATE egotistical assholes.

then you must really detest dockery.

>i suppose that's why i gravitate in your
>direction. same with george.

the stupid will gravitate towards their kind, that's for sure.

but did we have to allow them to access the internet?

>if it's about "sides," i'm on the side
>of people who don't show off, or get
>too egotistical. i'm also on the side
>of those who enjoy sharing more than
>comparing creative writing, especially
>on an open forum where trolls and k00ks
>flourish.

i say we shouldn't support stupid people. i say we don't support moronic points
of views, like: anyone can write. that's a pretty fucking dumbass idea.

legally i have to allow you the same rights that i possess. but i don't have to
sit idly by why you spout theories that are just idiotic.

stupid people need to know their place in our society.

want to clear the dishes from my table after each course, fine. want to clean my
house and take out my garbage and bring me take-out, cool.

but accept you as my equal, or accept the idea that your creativity is equal to
those who are actually creative and intelligent?

no fucking way, pal.

now shut up and go get me something to eat.

most sincerely,

GodBuilt


--
-----------------------------------------------
"I am a false prophet and God is a superstition.." "Again!"

There Will Be Blood
msifg
2009-02-03 21:47:50 UTC
Permalink
"On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built" <***@Yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:***@drn.newsguy.com...
> In article <x7Phl.3610$***@newsfe04.iad>, msifg says...
>
>
>>they claim that the people of their choosing don't
>>know how to write.
>
> they don't. it's pretty obvious.
>
>>they claim that people of their
>>choosing are stupid and illiterate.
>
> hey, it wasn't MY idea to give the mud-people access to the internet.
>
>>they make all kinds of claims, but rarely if ever
>>post anything but drivel on their side of things.
>>evans farts out a poem a year if that.
>>wells, well...nothing but drivel.
>>gamble? drivel.
>>sherman? drivel.
>>b's cat? drivel.
>
> that's only because we're the meanest of people. if we were nice, you
> would say
> nice things about us, and tell us how wonderful we are, as long as we
> played
> along and told you how wonderful YOU are.
>
> it really does frighten me how right i am all the time.
>
>>now, ross, karla, jeanne and houstman DO write.
>
> indeed. very well. so do Mr. Evans and Gamble.
>
> and if Rob and Gary and all the others told you and your union of
> mud-people
> that you were good writers, you wouldn't be posting this amusing whine.
>
> you're just mad because you want everyone to enable the high school
> circle-jerk
> you believe this should be. sorry, life is hard, then you end up writing
> laughable shit and being mocked by people intellectually superior to you.
>
>>however, how come it is that just because they
>>write means everybody of their choosing sucks?
>>that's bullshit.
>
> because what they write actually has some merit. they actually put some
> effort
> into it.
>
> what you and the congress of subhuman clowns submit is shit.. and you want
> us to
> throw you a parade just because you posted something on a usenet group.
> sorry,
> dumbass, the world does not work that way.
>
>
>>i notice, especially, that you go out of your way
>>to point to "good" poems by them. however, they
>>rarely, if ever, have anything good to say about
>>yours.
>
> YEAH!!! it's a conspiracy to crush your literary genius, huh?
>
>>the same goes with goerge.
>>he's very diplomatic with those people.
>>however, they act like they're the fuckin
>>second coming all rolled up into one.
>
> i must assume you don't have a clue what the word "diplomatic" means.
>
>>they can say i whine all they want.
>>i've got my opinions.
>
> that's what you call those... most interesting.
>
>>they think i'm influenced by you.
>>that's bullshit. i don't kiss anybody's
>>ass around here. i'm a floater.
>>however, i HATE egotistical assholes.
>
> then you must really detest dockery.
>
>>i suppose that's why i gravitate in your
>>direction. same with george.
>
> the stupid will gravitate towards their kind, that's for sure.
>
> but did we have to allow them to access the internet?
>
>>if it's about "sides," i'm on the side
>>of people who don't show off, or get
>>too egotistical. i'm also on the side
>>of those who enjoy sharing more than
>>comparing creative writing, especially
>>on an open forum where trolls and k00ks
>>flourish.
>
> i say we shouldn't support stupid people. i say we don't support moronic
> points
> of views, like: anyone can write. that's a pretty fucking dumbass idea.
>
> legally i have to allow you the same rights that i possess. but i don't
> have to
> sit idly by why you spout theories that are just idiotic.
>
> stupid people need to know their place in our society.
>
> want to clear the dishes from my table after each course, fine. want to
> clean my
> house and take out my garbage and bring me take-out, cool.
>
> but accept you as my equal, or accept the idea that your creativity is
> equal to
> those who are actually creative and intelligent?
>
> no fucking way, pal.
>
> now shut up and go get me something to eat.
>
> most sincerely,
>
> GodBuilt
>
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------
> "I am a false prophet and God is a superstition.." "Again!"
>
> There Will Be Blood



hahahaha-
i already told you i have your dinner, dipshit.

and, as usual, you ARE assuming the position.

you're a talentless fuckwad that will be at
MY beck and call for eternity.

now- swallow your medicine and reply like
a good little dog.

see?

here, boy
here, boy

that's a good doggy.

good boy!
Rob Evans
2009-02-04 08:29:44 UTC
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"msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
news:2Y2il.326$***@newsfe20.iad...
>
>
> hahahaha-
> i already told you i have your dinner, dipshit.
>
> and, as usual, you ARE assuming the position.
>
> you're a talentless fuckwad that will be at
> MY beck and call for eternity.
>
> now- swallow your medicine and reply like
> a good little dog.
>
> see?

Same-old cliched Usenet Ploy No: 1? Yes we do.
>
> here, boy
> here, boy
>
> that's a good doggy.
>
> good boy!
>
We knew you'd have to write that. (SOCUP No: 2)

Predictable kid, predictable.

Rob
--
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-----------
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I reach for 45-calibre pearls


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msifg
2009-02-04 12:31:47 UTC
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"Rob Evans" <***@sky.com> wrote in message
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>
> "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:2Y2il.326$***@newsfe20.iad...
>>
>>
>> hahahaha-
>> i already told you i have your dinner, dipshit.
>>
>> and, as usual, you ARE assuming the position.
>>
>> you're a talentless fuckwad that will be at
>> MY beck and call for eternity.
>>
>> now- swallow your medicine and reply like
>> a good little dog.
>>
>> see?
>
> Same-old cliched Usenet Ploy No: 1? Yes we do.
>>
>> here, boy
>> here, boy
>>
>> that's a good doggy.
>>
>> good boy!
>>
> We knew you'd have to write that. (SOCUP No: 2)
>
> Predictable kid, predictable.
>
> Rob
> --
> Rob Evans
> -----------
> When I see a swine,
> I reach for 45-calibre pearls
>
> --
> Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service
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it's the one you guys use ALL of the time.

i'm just following protocol.
Rob Evans
2009-02-04 13:05:59 UTC
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"msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Rob Evans" <***@sky.com> wrote in message
> news:49895200$0$23125$***@news.newsdemon.com...
>>
>> "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:2Y2il.326$***@newsfe20.iad...
>>>
>>>
>>> hahahaha-
>>> i already told you i have your dinner, dipshit.
>>>
>>> and, as usual, you ARE assuming the position.
>>>
>>> you're a talentless fuckwad that will be at
>>> MY beck and call for eternity.
>>>
>>> now- swallow your medicine and reply like
>>> a good little dog.
>>>
>>> see?
>>
>> Same-old cliched Usenet Ploy No: 1? Yes we do.
>>>
>>> here, boy
>>> here, boy
>>>
>>> that's a good doggy.
>>>
>>> good boy!
>>>
>> We knew you'd have to write that. (SOCUP No: 2)
>>
>> Predictable kid, predictable.
>>
>> Rob
>> --
>> Rob Evans
>> -----------
>> When I see a swine,
>> I reach for 45-calibre pearls
>>
>> --
>> Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service
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>
>
> it's the one you guys use ALL of the time.
>
> i'm just following protocol.

Thus demonstrating that at least YOU are being properly trained.

Jeez! Easy or what?

Rob


--
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-----------
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I reach for 45-calibre pearls
>


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Will Dockery
2009-02-04 21:52:04 UTC
Permalink
"msifg" wrote:
> "Rob Evans" <***@crone.com> wrote:
> >>> "msifg" wrote:
>
> >>>> hahahaha-
> >>>> i already told you i have your dinner, dipshit.
> >>>>
> >>>> and, as usual, you ARE assuming the position.
> >>>>
> >>>> you're a talentless fuckwad that will be at
> >>>> MY beck and call for eternity.
> >>>>
> >>>> now- swallow your medicine and reply like
> >>>> a good little dog.
> >>>>
> >>>> see?
> >>>
> >>> Same-old cliched Usenet Ploy No: 1? Yes we do.
> >>>>
> >>>> here, boy
> >>>> here, boy
> >>>>
> >>>> that's a good doggy.
> >>>>
> >>>> good boy!
> >>>>
> >>> We knew you'd have to write that. (SOCUP No: 2)
> >>>
> >>> Predictable kid, predictable.
> >>>
> >>> Rob
> >>> --
> >>> Rob Evans
> >>> -----------
> >>> When I see a swine,
> >>> I reach for 45-calibre pearls
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service
> >>> ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------
> >>> Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access
> >>
> >> it's the one you guys use ALL of the time.
> >>
> >> i'm just following protocol.
> >
> > Thus demonstrating that at least YOU are being properly trained.
> >
> > Jeez! Easy or what?
> >
> > Rob
>
> hahaha-
> something like that.

Poor Mushmouth's running out of steam again... maybe he should have a nap,
or something.

--
"Twilight Girl" and other poetry & music from Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
msifg
2009-02-04 22:29:37 UTC
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"Will Dockery" <will-dockery-***@knology.net> wrote in message
news:7e974$498a100a$4b4c71e9$***@KNOLOGY.NET...
>
> "msifg" wrote:
>> "Rob Evans" <***@crone.com> wrote:
>> >>> "msifg" wrote:
>>
>> >>>> hahahaha-
>> >>>> i already told you i have your dinner, dipshit.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> and, as usual, you ARE assuming the position.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> you're a talentless fuckwad that will be at
>> >>>> MY beck and call for eternity.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> now- swallow your medicine and reply like
>> >>>> a good little dog.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> see?
>> >>>
>> >>> Same-old cliched Usenet Ploy No: 1? Yes we do.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> here, boy
>> >>>> here, boy
>> >>>>
>> >>>> that's a good doggy.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> good boy!
>> >>>>
>> >>> We knew you'd have to write that. (SOCUP No: 2)
>> >>>
>> >>> Predictable kid, predictable.
>> >>>
>> >>> Rob
>> >>> --
>> >>> Rob Evans
>> >>> -----------
>> >>> When I see a swine,
>> >>> I reach for 45-calibre pearls
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service
>> >>> ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------
>> >>> Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access
>> >>
>> >> it's the one you guys use ALL of the time.
>> >>
>> >> i'm just following protocol.
>> >
>> > Thus demonstrating that at least YOU are being properly trained.
>> >
>> > Jeez! Easy or what?
>> >
>> > Rob
>>
>> hahaha-
>> something like that.
>
> Poor Mushmouth's running out of steam again... maybe he should have a nap,
> or something.
>
> --
> "Twilight Girl" and other poetry & music from Will Dockery:
> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>
>

i'm at a loss.

i'm mortified that people would bring up your deceased
wife. i never even knew you were married. i thought i
heard mention of you having a sibling.

however, i'm speechless that someone would accuse you
of spousal- esp if your spouse was deceased.

and DogBuilt calls us "mud people."

what a pair of bottom feeding trolls he and evans are.

new levels of disrespect were demonstrated here today.
On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
2009-02-04 22:56:04 UTC
Permalink
In article <bFoil.12706$***@newsfe10.iad>, msifg says...
>
>
>"Will Dockery" <will-dockery-***@knology.net> wrote in message

>
>i'm at a loss.

you and dockery should get a room. although you're gonna have to pay for it.
heh...

>i'm mortified that people would bring up your deceased
>wife.

well, actually, it was dockery the crackerclown who brought up the death of his
ex-wife. he used the event as a prop to try and bring attention to himself. it
was outrageously pathetic, that's for certain.

>i never even knew you were married.

neither did we, until she died. he WILL do anything to try and bring attention
to himself.

that's why i am so amused that you would defend this clown. is your life so
devoid of real humans that you have to befriend a loser like dockery?

>i thought i heard mention of you having a sibling.

might be a reason none of his family talks to him any more, they can't afford
the handouts.

>however, i'm speechless that someone would accuse you
>of spousal- esp if your spouse was deceased.

you would be speechless if someone accused him of being married?

>and DogBuilt calls us "mud people."

you're very stupid, lughead. how intelligent can you be to befriend a loser like
dockery?

>what a pair of bottom feeding trolls he and evans are.

but DAMN are we fun at dinner parties!!!

dockery's idea of a dinner party is when he can steal something out of a trash
can. heh...

>new levels of disrespect were demonstrated here today.

please!! you haven't seen the heights of disrespect i can reach.

quit being such a pathetic drama-queen, for god's sake!!!

besides, who's more disrespectful, a man who uses the event of the death of his
ex-wife as a device to try and bring attention to himself, like dockery, or a
person who points out how pathetic doing something like that really is?

i'm only disrespectful to the stupid, like say you or dockery or dancypants, a
true union of mongoloids. i would never be disrespectful of smart people, that
would be wrong.

but what's wrong about being disrespectful to stupid people, like you and
dockery?

most sincerely,

GodBuilt


--
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There Will Be Blood
msifg
2009-02-04 23:33:09 UTC
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"On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built" <***@Yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:***@drn.newsguy.com...
> In article <bFoil.12706$***@newsfe10.iad>, msifg says...
>>
>>
>>"Will Dockery" <will-dockery-***@knology.net> wrote in message
>
>>
>>i'm at a loss.
>
> you and dockery should get a room. although you're gonna have to pay for
> it.
> heh...
>
>>i'm mortified that people would bring up your deceased
>>wife.
>
> well, actually, it was dockery the crackerclown who brought up the death
> of his
> ex-wife. he used the event as a prop to try and bring attention to
> himself. it
> was outrageously pathetic, that's for certain.
>
>>i never even knew you were married.
>
> neither did we, until she died. he WILL do anything to try and bring
> attention
> to himself.
>
> that's why i am so amused that you would defend this clown. is your life
> so
> devoid of real humans that you have to befriend a loser like dockery?
>
>>i thought i heard mention of you having a sibling.
>
> might be a reason none of his family talks to him any more, they can't
> afford
> the handouts.
>
>>however, i'm speechless that someone would accuse you
>>of spousal- esp if your spouse was deceased.
>
> you would be speechless if someone accused him of being married?
>
>>and DogBuilt calls us "mud people."
>
> you're very stupid, lughead. how intelligent can you be to befriend a
> loser like
> dockery?
>
>>what a pair of bottom feeding trolls he and evans are.
>
> but DAMN are we fun at dinner parties!!!
>
> dockery's idea of a dinner party is when he can steal something out of a
> trash
> can. heh...
>
>>new levels of disrespect were demonstrated here today.
>
> please!! you haven't seen the heights of disrespect i can reach.
>
> quit being such a pathetic drama-queen, for god's sake!!!
>
> besides, who's more disrespectful, a man who uses the event of the death
> of his
> ex-wife as a device to try and bring attention to himself, like dockery,
> or a
> person who points out how pathetic doing something like that really is?
>
> i'm only disrespectful to the stupid, like say you or dockery or
> dancypants, a
> true union of mongoloids. i would never be disrespectful of smart people,
> that
> would be wrong.
>
> but what's wrong about being disrespectful to stupid people, like you and
> dockery?
>
> most sincerely,
>
> GodBuilt
>
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------
> "I am a false prophet and God is a superstition.." "Again!"
>
> There Will Be Blood


just keep 'em coming, fly boy!

you're the house that dog built and you're bowl is
always full.

now, go eat your food!!
Will Dockery
2009-02-05 00:02:26 UTC
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"On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built" wrote:
>
> a device to try and bring attention to himself

The only reason you're here, obviously... or will you be posting a poem
soon?

--
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msifg
2009-02-05 00:32:39 UTC
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"Will Dockery" <will-dockery-***@knology.net> wrote in message
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>
> "On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built" wrote:
>>
>> a device to try and bring attention to himself
>
> The only reason you're here, obviously... or will you be posting a poem
> soon?
>
> --
> "Twilight Girl" and other poetry & music from Will Dockery:
> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>
>


shit-
by now, i'll take a simple limerick from this
dick brain.

he's definitely at the orson-cat-evans level
of expression:
dockery hating.

that's all he has to offer.
msifg
2009-02-04 21:17:44 UTC
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"Rob Evans" <***@sky.com> wrote in message
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>
> "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:JUfil.3257$***@newsfe17.iad...
>>
>> "Rob Evans" <***@sky.com> wrote in message
>> news:49895200$0$23125$***@news.newsdemon.com...
>>>
>>> "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:2Y2il.326$***@newsfe20.iad...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hahahaha-
>>>> i already told you i have your dinner, dipshit.
>>>>
>>>> and, as usual, you ARE assuming the position.
>>>>
>>>> you're a talentless fuckwad that will be at
>>>> MY beck and call for eternity.
>>>>
>>>> now- swallow your medicine and reply like
>>>> a good little dog.
>>>>
>>>> see?
>>>
>>> Same-old cliched Usenet Ploy No: 1? Yes we do.
>>>>
>>>> here, boy
>>>> here, boy
>>>>
>>>> that's a good doggy.
>>>>
>>>> good boy!
>>>>
>>> We knew you'd have to write that. (SOCUP No: 2)
>>>
>>> Predictable kid, predictable.
>>>
>>> Rob
>>> --
>>> Rob Evans
>>> -----------
>>> When I see a swine,
>>> I reach for 45-calibre pearls
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service
>>> ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------
>>> Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access
>>
>>
>> it's the one you guys use ALL of the time.
>>
>> i'm just following protocol.
>
> Thus demonstrating that at least YOU are being properly trained.
>
> Jeez! Easy or what?
>
> Rob
>
>


hahaha-
something like that.
Rob Evans
2009-02-04 23:38:58 UTC
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"msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Rob Evans" <***@sky.com> wrote in message
> news:498992bf$0$23177$***@news.newsdemon.com...
>>
>> "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:JUfil.3257$***@newsfe17.iad...
>>>
>>> "Rob Evans" <***@sky.com> wrote in message
>>> news:49895200$0$23125$***@news.newsdemon.com...
>>>>
>>>> "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:2Y2il.326$***@newsfe20.iad...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hahahaha-
>>>>> i already told you i have your dinner, dipshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> and, as usual, you ARE assuming the position.
>>>>>
>>>>> you're a talentless fuckwad that will be at
>>>>> MY beck and call for eternity.
>>>>>
>>>>> now- swallow your medicine and reply like
>>>>> a good little dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> see?
>>>>
>>>> Same-old cliched Usenet Ploy No: 1? Yes we do.
>>>>>
>>>>> here, boy
>>>>> here, boy
>>>>>
>>>>> that's a good doggy.
>>>>>
>>>>> good boy!
>>>>>
>>>> We knew you'd have to write that. (SOCUP No: 2)
>>>>
>>>> Predictable kid, predictable.
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>> --
>>>> Rob Evans
>>>> -----------
>>>> When I see a swine,
>>>> I reach for 45-calibre pearls
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service
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>>>
>>>
>>> it's the one you guys use ALL of the time.
>>>
>>> i'm just following protocol.
>>
>> Thus demonstrating that at least YOU are being properly trained.
>>
>> Jeez! Easy or what?
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>
>
> hahaha-
> something like that.

Or exactly.

Rob


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On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
2009-02-04 15:37:20 UTC
Permalink
In article <2Y2il.326$***@newsfe20.iad>, msifg says...
>
>
>"On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built" <***@Yahoo.com> wrote in
>message news:***@drn.newsguy.com...
>> In article <x7Phl.3610$***@newsfe04.iad>, msifg says...
>>
>>
>>>they claim that the people of their choosing don't
>>>know how to write.
>>
>> they don't. it's pretty obvious.
>>
>>>they claim that people of their
>>>choosing are stupid and illiterate.
>>
>> hey, it wasn't MY idea to give the mud-people access to the internet.
>>
>>>they make all kinds of claims, but rarely if ever
>>>post anything but drivel on their side of things.
>>>evans farts out a poem a year if that.
>>>wells, well...nothing but drivel.
>>>gamble? drivel.
>>>sherman? drivel.
>>>b's cat? drivel.
>>
>> that's only because we're the meanest of people. if we were nice, you
>> would say
>> nice things about us, and tell us how wonderful we are, as long as we
>> played
>> along and told you how wonderful YOU are.
>>
>> it really does frighten me how right i am all the time.
>>
>>>now, ross, karla, jeanne and houstman DO write.
>>
>> indeed. very well. so do Mr. Evans and Gamble.
>>
>> and if Rob and Gary and all the others told you and your union of
>> mud-people
>> that you were good writers, you wouldn't be posting this amusing whine.
>>
>> you're just mad because you want everyone to enable the high school
>> circle-jerk
>> you believe this should be. sorry, life is hard, then you end up writing
>> laughable shit and being mocked by people intellectually superior to you.
>>
>>>however, how come it is that just because they
>>>write means everybody of their choosing sucks?
>>>that's bullshit.
>>
>> because what they write actually has some merit. they actually put some
>> effort
>> into it.
>>
>> what you and the congress of subhuman clowns submit is shit.. and you want
>> us to
>> throw you a parade just because you posted something on a usenet group.
>> sorry,
>> dumbass, the world does not work that way.
>>
>>
>>>i notice, especially, that you go out of your way
>>>to point to "good" poems by them. however, they
>>>rarely, if ever, have anything good to say about
>>>yours.
>>
>> YEAH!!! it's a conspiracy to crush your literary genius, huh?
>>
>>>the same goes with goerge.
>>>he's very diplomatic with those people.
>>>however, they act like they're the fuckin
>>>second coming all rolled up into one.
>>
>> i must assume you don't have a clue what the word "diplomatic" means.
>>
>>>they can say i whine all they want.
>>>i've got my opinions.
>>
>> that's what you call those... most interesting.
>>
>>>they think i'm influenced by you.
>>>that's bullshit. i don't kiss anybody's
>>>ass around here. i'm a floater.
>>>however, i HATE egotistical assholes.
>>
>> then you must really detest dockery.
>>
>>>i suppose that's why i gravitate in your
>>>direction. same with george.
>>
>> the stupid will gravitate towards their kind, that's for sure.
>>
>> but did we have to allow them to access the internet?
>>
>>>if it's about "sides," i'm on the side
>>>of people who don't show off, or get
>>>too egotistical. i'm also on the side
>>>of those who enjoy sharing more than
>>>comparing creative writing, especially
>>>on an open forum where trolls and k00ks
>>>flourish.
>>
>> i say we shouldn't support stupid people. i say we don't support moronic
>> points
>> of views, like: anyone can write. that's a pretty fucking dumbass idea.
>>
>> legally i have to allow you the same rights that i possess. but i don't
>> have to
>> sit idly by why you spout theories that are just idiotic.
>>
>> stupid people need to know their place in our society.
>>
>> want to clear the dishes from my table after each course, fine. want to
>> clean my
>> house and take out my garbage and bring me take-out, cool.
>>
>> but accept you as my equal, or accept the idea that your creativity is
>> equal to
>> those who are actually creative and intelligent?
>>
>> no fucking way, pal.
>>
>> now shut up and go get me something to eat.
>>
>> most sincerely,
>>
>> GodBuilt
>>
>>
>> --
>> -----------------------------------------------
>> "I am a false prophet and God is a superstition.." "Again!"
>>
>> There Will Be Blood
>
>
>
>hahahaha-
>i already told you i have your dinner, dipshit.

one of the mud-persons is upset.

heh...

most sincerely,

GodBuilt


--
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"I am a false prophet and God is a superstition.." "Again!"

There Will Be Blood
George Dance
2009-02-03 23:36:01 UTC
Permalink
On Feb 3, 11:27 am, On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
<***@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <x7Phl.3610$***@newsfe04.iad>, msifg says...
>
>
>
> >they claim that people of their
> >choosing are stupid and illiterate.
>
> hey, it wasn't MY idea to give the mud-people access to the internet.
>


By "mud-people," do you mean Arabs, Muslims, or Gentiles in general?
On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
2009-02-04 15:41:22 UTC
Permalink
In article <aa08ef61-867b-4bd8-bacc-***@r37g2000prr.googlegroups.com>,
George Dance says...
>
>On Feb 3, 11:27=A0am, On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
><***@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>> In article <x7Phl.3610$***@newsfe04.iad>, msifg says...
>>
>>
>>
>> >they claim that people of their
>> >choosing are stupid and illiterate.
>>
>> hey, it wasn't MY idea to give the mud-people access to the internet.
>>
>
>
>By "mud-people," do you mean Arabs, Muslims, or Gentiles in general?

more the subhuman set, such as yourself, who need to know their place.

you're here to serve the smart people, dancy. that is your only function.
somehow you got it into your little pea-brain that you're "equal" to your
betters, and that's just ridiculous.

like i said, it wasn't my idea to give you subs internet access.

most sincerely,

Your Superior, and not sorry about that fact.


--
-----------------------------------------------
"I am a false prophet and God is a superstition.." "Again!"

There Will Be Blood
Will Dockery
2009-02-03 19:52:16 UTC
Permalink
"msifg" wrote:
>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>"Rob Evans", mushmouth poet, wrote:
>>>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
>>>>> "msifg" wrote:
>
> >> i'm a southwestern soul.
> >>
> >> born in los angeles, lived most of my life in phoenix, az.

<snip>

> it's the dark side.
>
> they claim that the people of their choosing don't
> know how to write. they claim that people of their
> choosing are stupid and illiterate.

Interestingly, the ones who toss out such statements tend to fall into those
categories themselves.

> they make all kinds of claims, but rarely if ever
> post anything but drivel on their side of things.
> evans farts out a poem a year if that.

Unfortunately for him, I nailed one of his poems and recordings for the
mushmouthed whistle-lisping burble of a mundane piece of chopped-up-prose it
was last year and he was so hurt he's still following behind me with his
obsessed whining.

If Mushmouth would spend a bit more of his time on trying to improve his
dreary poetry rather than spending /all/ of his time begging me to slap him
down, he might manage more than on repost of an old poem a year... doesn't
look likely, though.

> wells, well...nothing but drivel.

Shhh... if he sees his name he might return... then again, GB's pretty much
the same silly spew.

> gamble? drivel.
> sherman? drivel.
> b's cat? drivel.

At least these three did try to write poetry at one time... much to
ggamble's embarrassment. His "Regrets of the Nam" shows him to be at best on
the level of those he tries to persecute, which is unfortunate for him.

> now, ross, karla, jeanne and houstman DO write.

And as I note, sometimes they put out some interesting stuff. And, of
course, they also churn out their fair share of garbage, as well.

> however, how come it is that just because they
> write means everybody of their choosing sucks?
> that's bullshit.

Their mutual backpatting comes off looking pretty silly sometimes, yes.

> i notice, especially, that you go out of your way
> to point to "good" poems by them. however, they
> rarely, if ever, have anything good to say about
> yours.

Heh... well I know the value of my work, and I know they know... their
agenda won't allow them to even try to get what I do.

They're afraid of falling from favor with the thugs.

> the same goes with george.
> he's very diplomatic with those people.

George is a serious poet who doesn't have to tear others down, he's
confident in his work and yeah, he's here to build the knowledge base.

Did you ever check out his bio?

http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/George_Dance_%28politician%29

'''George Dance''' is a [[politician]] and political activist in
[[Ontario]], [[Canada]]. He has been a member of the [[Libertarian Party of
Canada]] and the [[Ontario Libertarian Party]] since the mid-1970s, and has
served as interim leader of both parties.

Dance listed his occupation as stock clerk, layout artist, freelance
typesetter and office manager on various occasions between 1979 and 1993.
He has long published ''The Bulletin'', the Ontario Libertarian Party's
newsletter.

Like many others in his party, Dance has called for increased privatization
and is an opponent of unionization. He is an opponent of [[anarchism]], and
describes himself as a "proper-government libertarian" (i.e., supporting a
government and recognizes and respects individual liberties). Dance is also
an opponent of restrictions on public smoking.

Dance became leader of the Libertarian Party in 1991, after former leader
[[Stanislaw Tyminski]] left Canada to form [[Party X]] in [[Poland]]. He
held this position until May 1993, when [[Hilliard Cox]] was chosen to
replace him. Dance also served as interim leader of the federal party from
1995 to 1996. Note. [[Liberatarian]]s are different from [[Liberal]]s though
the name is similar.

Dance has served on the executive of the Ontario Libertarian Party since
1985, and is currently its chairman. He became the party's leader following
the resignation of [[John Shadbolt]] on [[June 9]], [[1995]], and held the
position until [[Sam Apelbaum]] was selected at a delegated convention in
late 1996. As party leader, Dance contested a 1996 by-election in [[York
South]].

In 1992, Dance indicated that his party might seek an electoral alliance
with the [[Freedom Party of Ontario]]. The Freedom Party soon rejected this
suggestion.

==Electoral record==

*[[Ontario general election, 1975]], [[Wilson Heights (electoral
district)|Wilson Heights]], 366 votes (winner: [[Vern Singer]], [[Ontario
Liberal Party|Liberal]])
*[[Canadian federal election, 1979]], [[Davenport (electoral
district)|Davenport]], 156 votes (winner: [[Charles Caccia]], [[Liberal
Party of Canada|Liberal]])
*[[Canadian federal election, 1980]], [[York South—Weston]], 299 votes
(winner: [[Ursula Appollini]], [[Liberal Party of Canada|Liberal]])
*[[Canadian federal election, 1984]], [[York—Scarborough]], 1,067 votes
(winner: [[W. Paul McCrossan]], [[Progressive Conservative Party of
Canada|Progressive Conservative]])
*[[Ontario general election, 1985]], [[Scarborough—Ellesmere]], 348 votes
(winner: [[David William Warner]], [[Ontario New Democratic Party|New
Democratic Party]])
*[[Ontario general election, 1987]], [[Scarborough Southwest]], 485 votes
(winner: [[Richard Johnston]], [[Ontario New Democratic Party|New Democratic
Party]])
*[[Canadian federal election, 1988]], [[Brampton (electoral
district)|Brampton]], 593 votes (winner: [[John McDermid]], [[Progressive
Conservative Party of Canada|Progressive Conservative]]
*federal [[by-election]], [[July 13]], [[1990]], [[Oshawa (electoral
district)|Oshawa]], 117 votes (winner: [[Michael Breaugh]], [[New Democratic
Party]])
*[[Ontario general election, 1990]], [[Scarborough West]], 401 votes
(winner: [[Anne Swarbrick]], [[Ontario New Democratic Party|New Democratic
Party]])
*[[Canadian federal election, 1993]], [[Scarborough Centre]], 153 votes
(winner: [[John Cannis]], [[Liberal Party of Canada|Liberal]])
*[[Ontario general election, 1995]], [[Scarborough West]], 214 votes
(winner: [[Jim Brown (Ontario politician)|Jim Brown]], [[Progressive
Conservative Party of Ontario|Progressive Conservative]])
*provincial [[by-election]], [[May 23]], [[1996]], [[York South]], 77 votes
(winner: [[Gerard Kennedy]], [[Ontario Liberal Party|Liberal]])
*[[Ontario general election, 2007]], [[Scarborough Southwest]], 296 votes
(winner: [[Lorenzo Berardinetti]], [[Ontario Liberal Party|Liberal Party]])

==External Links==

*[http://www.nolanchart.com/author383.html Ron Paul and his rEVOLution
(Nolan chart column)]
*[http://www.mega.bz/word/poet.mgi?poet=George%20Dance Poetry of George
Dance]
*[http://www.libertarian.on.ca/bulletin/index.htm Libertarian Bulletin
columns]

{{start box}}
{{succession box|title=[[Libertarian Party of Canada|Libertarian Party of
Canada leaders]] (first time)|
before=[[Stanislaw Tyminski]]|
after=[[Hilliard Cox]]|
years=1991-1993}}
{{succession box|title=[[Libertarian Party of Canada|Libertarian Party of
Canada leaders]] (second time)|
before=[[Hilliard Cox]]|
after=[[Vincent Pouliot]]|
years=1995-1996}}
{{end box}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Dance, George}}
[[Category:Ontario political party leaders|Dance, George]]
[[Category:Libertarian Party of Canada leaders|Dance]]
[[Category:Year of birth missing (living people)]]

It's pretty obvious that a lot of the attacks on Dance come from jealousy,
especially from nobody Canadians like Gary Gamble, who probably reads about
GD in the newspapers and on television, since he's a national public figure
up there... while GG is... well, the author of "Pete The Dog".

> however, they act like they're the fuckin
> second coming all rolled up into one.
>
> they can say i whine all they want.
> i've got my opinions.
> they think i'm influenced by you.
> that's bullshit. i don't kiss anybody's
> ass around here. i'm a floater.

Hell, yeah... interesting that /they/ are the "asskissers", or as Hammes
would call 'em, "circlesuckers".

> however, i HATE egotistical assholes.
> i suppose that's why i gravitate in your
> direction. same with george.
>
> if it's about "sides," i'm on the side
> of people who don't show off, or get
> too egotistical. i'm also on the side
> of those who enjoy sharing more than
> comparing creative writing, especially
> on an open forum where trolls and k00ks
> flourish.
>
> anyway...
>
> sorry i have to limit the number of newsgroups
> i respond to. i still have yet to tweak my
> "preferences" section in outlook.

Yeah, Outlook here rejects some groups I wouldn't expect, sometimes, as
well.

--
"Twilight Girl" and other poetry & music from Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
msifg
2009-02-03 21:52:46 UTC
Permalink
"Will Dockery" <will-dockery-***@knology.net> wrote in message
news:1c8aa$4988a27d$4b4c71e9$***@KNOLOGY.NET...
> "msifg" wrote:
>>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>"Rob Evans", mushmouth poet, wrote:
>>>>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
>>>>>> "msifg" wrote:
>>
>> >> i'm a southwestern soul.
>> >>
>> >> born in los angeles, lived most of my life in phoenix, az.
>
> <snip>
>
>> it's the dark side.
>>
>> they claim that the people of their choosing don't
>> know how to write. they claim that people of their
>> choosing are stupid and illiterate.
>
> Interestingly, the ones who toss out such statements tend to fall into
> those
> categories themselves.
>
>> they make all kinds of claims, but rarely if ever
>> post anything but drivel on their side of things.
>> evans farts out a poem a year if that.
>
> Unfortunately for him, I nailed one of his poems and recordings for the
> mushmouthed whistle-lisping burble of a mundane piece of chopped-up-prose
> it
> was last year and he was so hurt he's still following behind me with his
> obsessed whining.
>
> If Mushmouth would spend a bit more of his time on trying to improve his
> dreary poetry rather than spending /all/ of his time begging me to slap
> him
> down, he might manage more than on repost of an old poem a year... doesn't
> look likely, though.
>
>> wells, well...nothing but drivel.
>
> Shhh... if he sees his name he might return... then again, GB's pretty
> much
> the same silly spew.
>
>> gamble? drivel.
>> sherman? drivel.
>> b's cat? drivel.
>
> At least these three did try to write poetry at one time... much to
> ggamble's embarrassment. His "Regrets of the Nam" shows him to be at best
> on
> the level of those he tries to persecute, which is unfortunate for him.
>
>> now, ross, karla, jeanne and houstman DO write.
>
> And as I note, sometimes they put out some interesting stuff. And, of
> course, they also churn out their fair share of garbage, as well.
>
>> however, how come it is that just because they
>> write means everybody of their choosing sucks?
>> that's bullshit.
>
> Their mutual backpatting comes off looking pretty silly sometimes, yes.
>
>> i notice, especially, that you go out of your way
>> to point to "good" poems by them. however, they
>> rarely, if ever, have anything good to say about
>> yours.
>
> Heh... well I know the value of my work, and I know they know... their
> agenda won't allow them to even try to get what I do.
>
> They're afraid of falling from favor with the thugs.
>
>> the same goes with george.
>> he's very diplomatic with those people.
>
> George is a serious poet who doesn't have to tear others down, he's
> confident in his work and yeah, he's here to build the knowledge base.
>
> Did you ever check out his bio?
>
> http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/George_Dance_%28politician%29
>
> '''George Dance''' is a [[politician]] and political activist in
> [[Ontario]], [[Canada]]. He has been a member of the [[Libertarian Party
> of
> Canada]] and the [[Ontario Libertarian Party]] since the mid-1970s, and
> has
> served as interim leader of both parties.
>
> Dance listed his occupation as stock clerk, layout artist, freelance
> typesetter and office manager on various occasions between 1979 and 1993.
> He has long published ''The Bulletin'', the Ontario Libertarian Party's
> newsletter.
>
> Like many others in his party, Dance has called for increased
> privatization
> and is an opponent of unionization. He is an opponent of [[anarchism]],
> and
> describes himself as a "proper-government libertarian" (i.e., supporting a
> government and recognizes and respects individual liberties). Dance is
> also
> an opponent of restrictions on public smoking.
>
> Dance became leader of the Libertarian Party in 1991, after former leader
> [[Stanislaw Tyminski]] left Canada to form [[Party X]] in [[Poland]]. He
> held this position until May 1993, when [[Hilliard Cox]] was chosen to
> replace him. Dance also served as interim leader of the federal party
> from
> 1995 to 1996. Note. [[Liberatarian]]s are different from [[Liberal]]s
> though
> the name is similar.
>
> Dance has served on the executive of the Ontario Libertarian Party since
> 1985, and is currently its chairman. He became the party's leader
> following
> the resignation of [[John Shadbolt]] on [[June 9]], [[1995]], and held the
> position until [[Sam Apelbaum]] was selected at a delegated convention in
> late 1996. As party leader, Dance contested a 1996 by-election in [[York
> South]].
>
> In 1992, Dance indicated that his party might seek an electoral alliance
> with the [[Freedom Party of Ontario]]. The Freedom Party soon rejected
> this
> suggestion.
>
> ==Electoral record==
>
> *[[Ontario general election, 1975]], [[Wilson Heights (electoral
> district)|Wilson Heights]], 366 votes (winner: [[Vern Singer]], [[Ontario
> Liberal Party|Liberal]])
> *[[Canadian federal election, 1979]], [[Davenport (electoral
> district)|Davenport]], 156 votes (winner: [[Charles Caccia]], [[Liberal
> Party of Canada|Liberal]])
> *[[Canadian federal election, 1980]], [[York South—Weston]], 299 votes
> (winner: [[Ursula Appollini]], [[Liberal Party of Canada|Liberal]])
> *[[Canadian federal election, 1984]], [[York—Scarborough]], 1,067 votes
> (winner: [[W. Paul McCrossan]], [[Progressive Conservative Party of
> Canada|Progressive Conservative]])
> *[[Ontario general election, 1985]], [[Scarborough—Ellesmere]], 348 votes
> (winner: [[David William Warner]], [[Ontario New Democratic Party|New
> Democratic Party]])
> *[[Ontario general election, 1987]], [[Scarborough Southwest]], 485 votes
> (winner: [[Richard Johnston]], [[Ontario New Democratic Party|New
> Democratic
> Party]])
> *[[Canadian federal election, 1988]], [[Brampton (electoral
> district)|Brampton]], 593 votes (winner: [[John McDermid]], [[Progressive
> Conservative Party of Canada|Progressive Conservative]]
> *federal [[by-election]], [[July 13]], [[1990]], [[Oshawa (electoral
> district)|Oshawa]], 117 votes (winner: [[Michael Breaugh]], [[New
> Democratic
> Party]])
> *[[Ontario general election, 1990]], [[Scarborough West]], 401 votes
> (winner: [[Anne Swarbrick]], [[Ontario New Democratic Party|New Democratic
> Party]])
> *[[Canadian federal election, 1993]], [[Scarborough Centre]], 153 votes
> (winner: [[John Cannis]], [[Liberal Party of Canada|Liberal]])
> *[[Ontario general election, 1995]], [[Scarborough West]], 214 votes
> (winner: [[Jim Brown (Ontario politician)|Jim Brown]], [[Progressive
> Conservative Party of Ontario|Progressive Conservative]])
> *provincial [[by-election]], [[May 23]], [[1996]], [[York South]], 77
> votes
> (winner: [[Gerard Kennedy]], [[Ontario Liberal Party|Liberal]])
> *[[Ontario general election, 2007]], [[Scarborough Southwest]], 296 votes
> (winner: [[Lorenzo Berardinetti]], [[Ontario Liberal Party|Liberal
> Party]])
>
> ==External Links==
>
> *[http://www.nolanchart.com/author383.html Ron Paul and his rEVOLution
> (Nolan chart column)]
> *[http://www.mega.bz/word/poet.mgi?poet=George%20Dance Poetry of George
> Dance]
> *[http://www.libertarian.on.ca/bulletin/index.htm Libertarian Bulletin
> columns]
>
> {{start box}}
> {{succession box|title=[[Libertarian Party of Canada|Libertarian Party of
> Canada leaders]] (first time)|
> before=[[Stanislaw Tyminski]]|
> after=[[Hilliard Cox]]|
> years=1991-1993}}
> {{succession box|title=[[Libertarian Party of Canada|Libertarian Party of
> Canada leaders]] (second time)|
> before=[[Hilliard Cox]]|
> after=[[Vincent Pouliot]]|
> years=1995-1996}}
> {{end box}}
>
> {{DEFAULTSORT:Dance, George}}
> [[Category:Ontario political party leaders|Dance, George]]
> [[Category:Libertarian Party of Canada leaders|Dance]]
> [[Category:Year of birth missing (living people)]]
>
> It's pretty obvious that a lot of the attacks on Dance come from jealousy,
> especially from nobody Canadians like Gary Gamble, who probably reads
> about
> GD in the newspapers and on television, since he's a national public
> figure
> up there... while GG is... well, the author of "Pete The Dog".
>
>> however, they act like they're the fuckin
>> second coming all rolled up into one.
>>
>> they can say i whine all they want.
>> i've got my opinions.
>> they think i'm influenced by you.
>> that's bullshit. i don't kiss anybody's
>> ass around here. i'm a floater.
>
> Hell, yeah... interesting that /they/ are the "asskissers", or as Hammes
> would call 'em, "circlesuckers".
>
>> however, i HATE egotistical assholes.
>> i suppose that's why i gravitate in your
>> direction. same with george.
>>
>> if it's about "sides," i'm on the side
>> of people who don't show off, or get
>> too egotistical. i'm also on the side
>> of those who enjoy sharing more than
>> comparing creative writing, especially
>> on an open forum where trolls and k00ks
>> flourish.
>>
>> anyway...
>>
>> sorry i have to limit the number of newsgroups
>> i respond to. i still have yet to tweak my
>> "preferences" section in outlook.
>
> Yeah, Outlook here rejects some groups I wouldn't expect, sometimes, as
> well.
>
> --
> "Twilight Girl" and other poetry & music from Will Dockery:
> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>
>


cool stuff about george, there.

thanks for sharing.
On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
2009-02-03 16:42:07 UTC
Permalink
In article <kINhl.47598$***@newsfe13.iad>, msifg says...
>
sorry to snip dockery's copy and paste knowledge of history.

you need to realize that none of what he quoted he's really read.

>i'm a southwestern soul.

curious.

>born in los angeles, lived most of my life in phoenix, az.

this explains much.

>i tried moving around, but the desert always sucked me back in.

like a Alighierian hell, right?

>i know allot of other desert dwellers, but many folks come
>out here and don't have a taste for it. i suppose the heat
>has something to do with that. to be honest, i don't even
>notice it anymore. i've lived out here most of my life.

did you ever find Don Juan?

>that's some really cool history there. i especially liked
>the part about coca-cola. thanks for sharing. i'm definitely
>going to make it out there at some point. thanks for offering
>to give a tour and jam out. that sounds cool.

you seriously don't have better things to do with your time? seriously, man,
you're idea of a vacation is going to CrackerGeorgia and spending time with a
welfare recipient who delivers pizza for an under-the-table income?

you must have other friends.

>that part of the country, world is steeped in history. i know
>southerners really enjoy history. they have allot to be proud of.

like slavery and Jim Crow.


(sorry, i snipped your amusing views on history)

>and yet, can we really free anything if we're trapped
>in the bondage of greed and money in exchange for happiness?
>can we call ourselves free when we're ruled by commercial
>television which orders us to go out and buy until we
>go into bankruptcy? what kind of "freedom" did we end up
>with?

>free the u.s.a.
>
>"free your mind and your ass will follow."

this explains everything.

but a serious question, how do these people who "rule" us, you know, the ones
who "order" us to go out and buy shit...how do they do this? guns to our head?
special V chips in our brains that make us go into the store and whip out the
ol' credit card?

it's a serious question.

most sincerely, as always,

GodBuilt


--
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"I am a false prophet and God is a superstition.." "Again!"

There Will Be Blood
Rob Evans
2009-02-02 12:24:42 UTC
Permalink
"Will Dockery" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1f491dcd-3644-44fb-8af0-***@m12g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
"Rob Evans", mushmouth poet, wrote:
>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
>>> "msifg" wrote:
>
> > And when someone like Rob "Mushmouth" Evans chimes in, and then it is
> > revealed how short he comes up as a poet, being a lackluster writer of
> > dreary chopped-up-prose that pretends to be a poem, and then performs it
> > with a gurgling whistle-lisp that sounds like either a stroke victim or
> > that he has a mouth stuffed with mush, or both, then it just gets really
> > funny really fast.
>
>>>>> he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
>>>>> however, his technique is filled to the brim
>>>>> with contempt and smugness.
>>>>> i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
>>>>> of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
>>>>> i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
>>>>> you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
>>>>> little ass kissing vulture faced old
>>>>> fool. you can't even get your insults
>>>>> strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
>>>>> then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
>>>>> photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck is that!
>
> > And the photograph is an old one... can you imagine the horror he faces
> > every morning when he looks in the mirror and sees what new cruel joke
> > life has played on him the night before?
>
> > I wanted to let this pass, and had even thought maybe our "truce" would
> > last, but the old assface just keeps crawling back, begging for more.
>
> > No doubt this will go on for another 5000 post thread of his whining
> > over his hurt feelings...
>
> >> > > if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.

Mushmouth seems addicted to sniffing behind me. Apparently this will
continue on for ever how many years, weeks or days it takes one of us
to die... sounds sadly familiar.

A shame he can't understand that his time would be better spent
working on his many obvious problems, such as the fact that he writes
forgetable poetry that will quickly fade and be forgotten as soon as
he posts it, as usual. Or the fact that he's an assfaced thug wannabe
intent on wasting my time... luckily I have more than enough to keep
him smacked down... heh.

Anyway, let's see what garbage he's left dripping from this post like
the drool on his crone-like chin this morning:

> >> > > you're a bit over the hill at this time.
>
> >> Even worse, you're a stupid /and/ senile old man, Rob... spit out your
> >> mush and whistle some more for us... heh.
>
> >> That's about as likely as you stepping onto a stage

I'll be doing that 15-20 times tonight, actually, Mushmouth, as part
of the new Sunday night open mic at the Sports Rock Cafe over in
Ladonia tonight, Mushmouth, introducing performers as well as doing a
couple of sets of my own. As I mentioned earlier, we'll be making
digital video of these from now on, to put on a SRC YouTube channel,
which you'll no doubt slobber and masturbate over for endless hours...
heh.

> without stumbling and
>
> > Depends on which stage, how many fucken wires I'm not fond of stepping
> > on,
> > things like that, but looking at your photograph, you're about ready to
> > be rolled onstage in a wheelchair, am I right, Mushmouth?
>
> Clearly not true

Sorry pal, but your photograph clearly shows your pathetic condition
of several years ago:

http://tinyurl.com/5j4grx

Maybe you've had a face-lift, bought a wig, and had those rotten brown
teeth pulled and replaced with dentures since then, you still look so
feeble that I doubt you can walk well enough to make it to the stage,
much less stand there.

> >> then managing to face the audience

Which you most likely spray with gunk when you burble and whistle-lisp
your dreary chopped-up-prose pretending to be poetry, and giving small
children nightmares, since you're the spitting image of a modern day
Nosferatu?

"We know."

> > Since I'm onstage an average of 3-4 times a week, I'll keep your advice
> > in
> > mind, Mushmouth, but there's certain times when "turning my back" to the
> > audience is appropriate (and I'm aware you have no idea what my
> > situation
> > as far as stage performance is like, since you no doubt just sit there
> > inyour wheelchair spittle-spewing the front row of your audience, so
> > thanks, but
> > really, no thanks) such as observing and giving a nod to the drummer for
> > a particularly great beat, checking out a soloist in a far corner, and
> > in
> > general acting as a conductor for musicians who are playing /my/ music.
>
> > Miles Davis and Johnny Cash are two great examples of performers who
> > were noted for facing away from the stage from time-to-time, and of
> > course I can
> > add that you're also exagerating,

because you're a lying stupid Duck who believes that snipping proves
something.
Therefore this proves you're a very stupid Duck.

Poor canard can't help walking slap bang into the nearest petard.

See you back here soon, Mushmouth, you know you can't stop yourself...
heh.

And why should I stop myself? I was here before you ever started to post
your unspeakable shit
or your lies about everybody who calls you on it.

Rob
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Will Dockery
2009-02-03 17:15:21 UTC
Permalink
"Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote:
> "Will Dockery" wrote:
>> "Rob Evans", mushmouth poet, wrote:
>> >"Will Dockery" wrote:
> >>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
> >>> "msifg" wrote:
> >
> > > And when someone like Rob "Mushmouth" Evans chimes in, and then it is
> > > revealed how short he comes up as a poet, being a lackluster writer of
> > > dreary chopped-up-prose that pretends to be a poem, and then performs
it
> > > with a gurgling whistle-lisp that sounds like either a stroke victim
or
> > > that he has a mouth stuffed with mush, or both, then it just gets
really
> > > funny really fast.
> >
> >>>>> he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
> >>>>> however, his technique is filled to the brim
> >>>>> with contempt and smugness.

While his rotten-toothed mouth is apparently filled with... mush. Thus his
famous nickname... heh.

> >>>>> i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
> >>>>> of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
> >>>>> i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
> >>>>> you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
> >>>>> little ass kissing vulture faced old
> >>>>> fool. you can't even get your insults
> >>>>> strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
> >>>>> then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
> >>>>> photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck is that!
> >
> > > And the photograph is an old one... can you imagine the horror he
faces
> > > every morning when he looks in the mirror and sees what new cruel joke
> > > life has played on him the night before?
> >
> > > I wanted to let this pass, and had even thought maybe our "truce"
would
> > > last, but the old assface just keeps crawling back, begging for more.
> >
> > > No doubt this will go on for another 5000 post thread of his whining
> > > over his hurt feelings...
> >
> > >> > > if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.
>
> Mushmouth seems addicted to sniffing behind me. Apparently this will
> continue on for ever how many years, weeks or days it takes one of us
> to die... sounds sadly familiar.
>
> A shame he can't understand that his time would be better spent
> working on his many obvious problems, such as the fact that he writes
> forgetable poetry that will quickly fade and be forgotten as soon as
> he posts it, as usual. Or the fact that he's an assfaced thug wannabe
> intent on wasting my time... luckily I have more than enough to keep
> him smacked down... heh.
>
> Anyway, let's see what garbage he's left dripping from this post like
> the drool on his crone-like chin this morning:
>
> > >> > > you're a bit over the hill at this time.
> >
> > >> Even worse, you're a stupid /and/ senile old man, Rob... spit out
your
> > >> mush and whistle some more for us... heh.
> >
> > >> That's about as likely as you stepping onto a stage
>
> I'll be doing that 15-20 times tonight, actually, Mushmouth, as part
> of the new Sunday night open mic at the Sports Rock Cafe over in
> Ladonia tonight, Mushmouth, introducing performers as well as doing a
> couple of sets of my own. As I mentioned earlier, we'll be making
> digital video of these from now on, to put on a SRC YouTube channel,
> which you'll no doubt slobber and masturbate over for endless hours...
> heh.
>
> > without stumbling and
> >
> > > Depends on which stage, how many fucken wires I'm not fond of stepping
on,
> > > things like that, but looking at your photograph, you're about ready
to
> > > be rolled onstage in a wheelchair, am I right, Mushmouth?
> >
> > Clearly not true
>
> Sorry pal, but your photograph clearly shows your pathetic condition
> of several years ago:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5j4grx
>
> Maybe you've had a face-lift, bought a wig, and had those rotten brown
> teeth pulled and replaced with dentures since then, you still look so
> feeble that I doubt you can walk well enough to make it to the stage,
> much less stand there.
>
> > >> then managing to face the audience
>
> Which you most likely spray with gunk when you burble and whistle-lisp
> your dreary chopped-up-prose pretending to be poetry, and giving small
> children nightmares, since you're the spitting image of a modern day
> Nosferatu?
>
> "We know."
>
> > > Since I'm onstage an average of 3-4 times a week, I'll keep your
advice
> > > in
> > > mind, Mushmouth, but there's certain times when "turning my back" to
the
> > > audience is appropriate (and I'm aware you have no idea what my
situation
> > > as far as stage performance is like, since you no doubt just sit there
> > > inyour wheelchair spittle-spewing the front row of your audience, so
thanks, but
> > > really, no thanks) such as observing and giving a nod to the drummer
for
> > > a particularly great beat, checking out a soloist in a far corner, and
in
> > > general acting as a conductor for musicians who are playing /my/
music.
> >
> > > Miles Davis and Johnny Cash are two great examples of performers who
> > > were noted for facing away from the stage from time-to-time, and of
course I can
> > > add that you're also exagerating,
>
> because you're a lying

You're the liar who spewed your sleazy lies about my personal life and
family last year, you gunkmouthed old crone... which are archived, since you
probably forgot that little meltdown you had.

> See you back here soon, Mushmouth, you know you can't stop yourself...
heh.
>
> And why should I stop myself?

No reason, Mushmouth... we have all the time in the world, right?

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Rob Evans
2009-02-04 08:37:21 UTC
Permalink
"Will Dockery" <will-dockery-***@knology.net> wrote in message
news:1db78$49887db0$4b4c71e9$***@KNOLOGY.NET...
>
> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote:
>> "Will Dockery" wrote:
>>> "Rob Evans", mushmouth poet, wrote:
>>> >"Will Dockery" wrote:
>> >>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
>> >>> "msifg" wrote:
>> >
>> > > And when someone like Rob "Mushmouth" Evans chimes in, and then it is
>> > > revealed how short he comes up as a poet, being a lackluster writer
>> > > of
>> > > dreary chopped-up-prose that pretends to be a poem, and then performs
> it
>> > > with a gurgling whistle-lisp that sounds like either a stroke victim
> or
>> > > that he has a mouth stuffed with mush, or both, then it just gets
> really
>> > > funny really fast.
>> >
>> >>>>> he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
>> >>>>> however, his technique is filled to the brim
>> >>>>> with contempt and smugness.
>
> While his rotten-toothed mouth is apparently filled with... mush. Thus his
> famous nickname... heh.
>
>> >>>>> i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
>> >>>>> of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
>> >>>>> i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
>> >>>>> you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
>> >>>>> little ass kissing vulture faced old
>> >>>>> fool. you can't even get your insults
>> >>>>> strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
>> >>>>> then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
>> >>>>> photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck is that!
>> >
>> > > And the photograph is an old one... can you imagine the horror he
> faces
>> > > every morning when he looks in the mirror and sees what new cruel
>> > > joke
>> > > life has played on him the night before?
>> >
>> > > I wanted to let this pass, and had even thought maybe our "truce"
> would
>> > > last, but the old assface just keeps crawling back, begging for more.
>> >
>> > > No doubt this will go on for another 5000 post thread of his whining
>> > > over his hurt feelings...
>> >
>> > >> > > if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.
>>
>> Mushmouth seems addicted to sniffing behind me. Apparently this will
>> continue on for ever how many years, weeks or days it takes one of us
>> to die... sounds sadly familiar.
>>
>> A shame he can't understand that his time would be better spent
>> working on his many obvious problems, such as the fact that he writes
>> forgetable poetry that will quickly fade and be forgotten as soon as
>> he posts it, as usual. Or the fact that he's an assfaced thug wannabe
>> intent on wasting my time... luckily I have more than enough to keep
>> him smacked down... heh.
>>
>> Anyway, let's see what garbage he's left dripping from this post like
>> the drool on his crone-like chin this morning:
>>
>> > >> > > you're a bit over the hill at this time.
>> >
>> > >> Even worse, you're a stupid /and/ senile old man, Rob... spit out
> your
>> > >> mush and whistle some more for us... heh.
>> >
>> > >> That's about as likely as you stepping onto a stage
>>
>> I'll be doing that 15-20 times tonight, actually, Mushmouth, as part
>> of the new Sunday night open mic at the Sports Rock Cafe over in
>> Ladonia tonight, Mushmouth, introducing performers as well as doing a
>> couple of sets of my own. As I mentioned earlier, we'll be making
>> digital video of these from now on, to put on a SRC YouTube channel,
>> which you'll no doubt slobber and masturbate over for endless hours...
>> heh.
>>
>> > without stumbling and
>> >
>> > > Depends on which stage, how many fucken wires I'm not fond of
>> > > stepping
> on,
>> > > things like that, but looking at your photograph, you're about ready
> to
>> > > be rolled onstage in a wheelchair, am I right, Mushmouth?
>> >
>> > Clearly not true
>>
>> Sorry pal, but your photograph clearly shows your pathetic condition
>> of several years ago:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/5j4grx
>>
>> Maybe you've had a face-lift, bought a wig, and had those rotten brown
>> teeth pulled and replaced with dentures since then, you still look so
>> feeble that I doubt you can walk well enough to make it to the stage,
>> much less stand there.
>>
>> > >> then managing to face the audience
>>
>> Which you most likely spray with gunk when you burble and whistle-lisp
>> your dreary chopped-up-prose pretending to be poetry, and giving small
>> children nightmares, since you're the spitting image of a modern day
>> Nosferatu?
>>
>> "We know."
>>
>> > > Since I'm onstage an average of 3-4 times a week, I'll keep your
> advice
>> > > in
>> > > mind, Mushmouth, but there's certain times when "turning my back" to
> the
>> > > audience is appropriate (and I'm aware you have no idea what my
> situation
>> > > as far as stage performance is like, since you no doubt just sit
>> > > there
>> > > inyour wheelchair spittle-spewing the front row of your audience, so
> thanks, but
>> > > really, no thanks) such as observing and giving a nod to the drummer
> for
>> > > a particularly great beat, checking out a soloist in a far corner,
>> > > and
> in
>> > > general acting as a conductor for musicians who are playing /my/
> music.
>> >
>> > > Miles Davis and Johnny Cash are two great examples of performers who
>> > > were noted for facing away from the stage from time-to-time, and of
> course I can
>> > > add that you're also exagerating,
>>
>> because you're a lying
>
> You're the liar who spewed your sleazy lies about my personal life and
> family last year, you gunkmouthed old crone... which are archived, since
> you
> probably forgot that little meltdown you had.

Every one of them with the Duckrish modifier "apparently" attached which, as
we know from your consistent slimy dishonest twisting illiterate behaviour
dear lardarse, turns personal insults into mere speculation. As someone
once observed:

you're a poor canard can't help walking slap bang into the nearest petard.

Every time.

Dumb duck.

Rob


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Will Dockery
2009-02-04 09:02:16 UTC
Permalink
"Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote:
>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>> "Rob Evans", mushmouth poet, wrote:
>>>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
>>>>> "msifg" wrote:
>
> >> > > And when someone like Rob "Mushmouth" Evans chimes in, and then it is revealed how short he comes up as a poet, being a lackluster writer of
> >> > > dreary chopped-up-prose that pretends to be a poem, and then performs it with a gurgling whistle-lisp that sounds like either a stroke victim or
> >> > > that he has a mouth stuffed with mush, or both, then it just gets
> > really funny really fast.
>
> >> >>>>> he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
> >> >>>>> however, his technique is filled to the brim
> >> >>>>> with contempt and smugness.
>
> > While his rotten-toothed mouth is apparently filled with... mush. Thus his famous nickname... heh.
>
> >> >>>>> i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
> >> >>>>>  of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
> >> >>>>> i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
> >> >>>>> you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
> >> >>>>> little ass kissing vulture faced old
> >> >>>>> fool. you can't even get your insults
> >> >>>>> strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
> >> >>>>> then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
> >> >>>>> photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck is that!
>
> >> > > And the photograph is an old one... can you imagine the horror he faces
> >> > > every morning when he looks in the mirror and sees what new cruel joke life has played on him the night before?
>
> >> > > I wanted to let this pass, and had even thought maybe our "truce" would
> >> > > last, but the old assface just keeps crawling back, begging for more.
>
> >> > > No doubt this will go on for another 5000 post thread of his whining over his hurt feelings...
>
> >> > >> > > if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.
>
> >> Mushmouth seems addicted to sniffing behind me. Apparently this will
> >> continue on for ever how many years, weeks or days it takes one of us to die... sounds sadly familiar.
>
> >> A shame he can't understand that his time would be better spent
> >> working on his many obvious problems, such as the fact that he writes
> >> forgetable poetry that will quickly fade and be forgotten as soon as
> >> he posts it, as usual. Or the fact that he's an assfaced thug wannabe
> >> intent on wasting my time... luckily I have more than enough to keep
> >> him smacked down... heh.
>
> >> Anyway, let's see what garbage he's left dripping from this post like
> >> the drool on his crone-like chin this morning:
>
> >> > >> > > you're a bit over the hill at this time.
>
> >> > >> Even worse, you're a stupid /and/ senile old man, Rob... spit out
> > your mush and whistle some more for us... heh.
>
> >> > >> That's about as likely as you stepping onto a stage
>
> >> I'll be doing that 15-20 times tonight, actually, Mushmouth, as part
> >> of the new Sunday night open mic at the Sports Rock Cafe over in
> >> Ladonia tonight, Mushmouth, introducing performers as well as doing a
> >> couple of sets of my own. As I mentioned earlier, we'll be making
> >> digital video of these from now on, to put on a SRC YouTube channel,
> >> which you'll no doubt slobber and masturbate over for endless hours... heh.
>
> >> > without stumbling and
>
> >> > > Depends on which stage, how many fucken wires I'm not fond of stepping on,
> >> > > things like that, but looking at your photograph, you're about ready to
> >> > > be rolled onstage in a wheelchair, am I right, Mushmouth?
>
> >> > Clearly not true
>
> >> Sorry pal, but your photograph clearly shows your pathetic condition
> >> of several years ago:
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/5j4grx
>
> >> Maybe you've had a face-lift, bought a wig, and had those rotten brown
> >> teeth pulled and replaced with dentures since then, you still look so
> >> feeble that I doubt you can walk well enough to make it to the stage,
> >> much less stand there.
>
> >> > >> then managing to face the audience
>
> >> Which you most likely spray with gunk when you burble and whistle-lisp your dreary chopped-up-prose pretending to be poetry, and giving small
> >> children nightmares, since you're the spitting image of a modern day
> >> Nosferatu?
>
> >> "We know."
>
> >> > > Since I'm onstage an average of 3-4 times a week, I'll keep your
> > advice in
> >> > > mind, Mushmouth, but there's certain times when "turning my back" to the
> >> > > audience is appropriate (and I'm aware you have no idea what my situation
> >> > > as far as stage performance is like, since you no doubt just sit
> >> > > there
> >> > > inyour wheelchair spittle-spewing the front row of your audience, so thanks, but
> >> > > really, no thanks) such as observing and giving a nod to the drummer for
> >> > > a particularly great beat, checking out a soloist in a far corner,
> >> > > and in general acting as a conductor for musicians who are playing /my/ music.
>
> >> > > Miles Davis and Johnny Cash are two great examples of performers who
> >> > > were noted for facing away from the stage from time-to-time, and of course I can
> >> > > add that you're also exagerating,
>
> >> because you're a lying
>
> > You're the liar who spewed your sleazy lies about my personal life and
> > family last year, you gunkmouthed old crone... which are archived, since you probably forgot that little meltdown you had.
>
> Every one of them with the Duckrish modifier "apparently" attached

You didn't seem to know what "apparent" meant then or now,
Mushmouth... but thanks for dropping the libelous statements of last
year.

See you soon, pal, we only have 4978 more posts to go in this thread.

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Rob Evans
2009-02-04 13:04:08 UTC
Permalink
"Will Dockery" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cabbe2b6-1a7f-4082-8fd2-***@o36g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
"Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote:
>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>> "Rob Evans", mushmouth poet, wrote:
>>>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
>>>>> "msifg" wrote:
>
> >> > > And when someone like Rob "Mushmouth" Evans chimes in, and then it
> >> > > is revealed how short he comes up as a poet, being a lackluster
> >> > > writer of
> >> > > dreary chopped-up-prose that pretends to be a poem, and then
> >> > > performs it with a gurgling whistle-lisp that sounds like either a
> >> > > stroke victim or
> >> > > that he has a mouth stuffed with mush, or both, then it just gets
> > really funny really fast.
>
> >> >>>>> he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
> >> >>>>> however, his technique is filled to the brim
> >> >>>>> with contempt and smugness.
>
> > While his rotten-toothed mouth is apparently filled with... mush. Thus
> > his famous nickname... heh.
>
> >> >>>>> i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
> >> >>>>> of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
> >> >>>>> i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
> >> >>>>> you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
> >> >>>>> little ass kissing vulture faced old
> >> >>>>> fool. you can't even get your insults
> >> >>>>> strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
> >> >>>>> then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
> >> >>>>> photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck is that!
>
> >> > > And the photograph is an old one... can you imagine the horror he
> >> > > faces
> >> > > every morning when he looks in the mirror and sees what new cruel
> >> > > joke life has played on him the night before?
>
> >> > > I wanted to let this pass, and had even thought maybe our "truce"
> >> > > would
> >> > > last, but the old assface just keeps crawling back, begging for
> >> > > more.
>
> >> > > No doubt this will go on for another 5000 post thread of his
> >> > > whining over his hurt feelings...
>
> >> > >> > > if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.
>
> >> Mushmouth seems addicted to sniffing behind me. Apparently this will
> >> continue on for ever how many years, weeks or days it takes one of us
> >> to die... sounds sadly familiar.
>
> >> A shame he can't understand that his time would be better spent
> >> working on his many obvious problems, such as the fact that he writes
> >> forgetable poetry that will quickly fade and be forgotten as soon as
> >> he posts it, as usual. Or the fact that he's an assfaced thug wannabe
> >> intent on wasting my time... luckily I have more than enough to keep
> >> him smacked down... heh.
>
> >> Anyway, let's see what garbage he's left dripping from this post like
> >> the drool on his crone-like chin this morning:
>
> >> > >> > > you're a bit over the hill at this time.
>
> >> > >> Even worse, you're a stupid /and/ senile old man, Rob... spit out
> > your mush and whistle some more for us... heh.
>
> >> > >> That's about as likely as you stepping onto a stage
>
> >> I'll be doing that 15-20 times tonight, actually, Mushmouth, as part
> >> of the new Sunday night open mic at the Sports Rock Cafe over in
> >> Ladonia tonight, Mushmouth, introducing performers as well as doing a
> >> couple of sets of my own. As I mentioned earlier, we'll be making
> >> digital video of these from now on, to put on a SRC YouTube channel,
> >> which you'll no doubt slobber and masturbate over for endless hours...
> >> heh.
>
> >> > without stumbling and
>
> >> > > Depends on which stage, how many fucken wires I'm not fond of
> >> > > stepping on,
> >> > > things like that, but looking at your photograph, you're about
> >> > > ready to
> >> > > be rolled onstage in a wheelchair, am I right, Mushmouth?
>
> >> > Clearly not true
>
> >> Sorry pal, but your photograph clearly shows your pathetic condition
> >> of several years ago:
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/5j4grx
>
> >> Maybe you've had a face-lift, bought a wig, and had those rotten brown
> >> teeth pulled and replaced with dentures since then, you still look so
> >> feeble that I doubt you can walk well enough to make it to the stage,
> >> much less stand there.
>
> >> > >> then managing to face the audience
>
> >> Which you most likely spray with gunk when you burble and whistle-lisp
> >> your dreary chopped-up-prose pretending to be poetry, and giving small
> >> children nightmares, since you're the spitting image of a modern day
> >> Nosferatu?
>
> >> "We know."
>
> >> > > Since I'm onstage an average of 3-4 times a week, I'll keep your
> > advice in
> >> > > mind, Mushmouth, but there's certain times when "turning my back"
> >> > > to the
> >> > > audience is appropriate (and I'm aware you have no idea what my
> >> > > situation
> >> > > as far as stage performance is like, since you no doubt just sit
> >> > > there
> >> > > inyour wheelchair spittle-spewing the front row of your audience,
> >> > > so thanks, but
> >> > > really, no thanks) such as observing and giving a nod to the
> >> > > drummer for
> >> > > a particularly great beat, checking out a soloist in a far corner,
> >> > > and in general acting as a conductor for musicians who are playing
> >> > > /my/ music.
>
> >> > > Miles Davis and Johnny Cash are two great examples of performers
> >> > > who
> >> > > were noted for facing away from the stage from time-to-time, and of
> >> > > course I can
> >> > > add that you're also exagerating,
>
> >> because you're a lying
>
> > You're the liar who spewed your sleazy lies about my personal life and
> > family last year, you gunkmouthed old crone... which are archived, since
> > you probably forgot that little meltdown you had.
>
> Every one of them with the Duckrish modifier "apparently" attached

You didn't seem to know what "apparent" meant then or now,

I knew what it meant but since you refused to recognise its plain English
usage I made it easier for you by accepting that it was your Duckrish
modifier to allow your consistently slimy dishonest twisting illiterate
behaviour to be mere speculation.


Mushmouth... but thanks for dropping the libelous statements of last
year.

Not libelous and not dropped. Many still speculate that you are a serial
woman-abuser, "apparently".

However, nobody speculates that you took cynical distasteful advantage of
your ex-wife's death to indulge in some narcissistic self promotion.

Nobody speculates because we KNOW you did.

Now you have my permission to whine a little more.

Rob
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Will Dockery
2009-02-04 18:47:14 UTC
Permalink
"Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote:
>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>> "Rob Evans", mushmouth poet, wrote:
>>>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>> "Rob Evans" <***@lisp.com> wrote;
>>>>> "msifg" wrote:
>
> > >> > > And when someone like Rob "Mushmouth" Evans chimes in, and then
it
> > >> > > is revealed how short he comes up as a poet, being a lackluster
writer of
> > >> > > dreary chopped-up-prose that pretends to be a poem, and then
> > >> > > performs it with a gurgling whistle-lisp that sounds like either
a stroke victim or
> > >> > > that he has a mouth stuffed with mush, or both, then it just gets
> > > really funny really fast.
> >
> > >> >>>>> he likes to think he's writing ad hominem.
> > >> >>>>> however, his technique is filled to the brim
> > >> >>>>> with contempt and smugness.
> >
> > > While his rotten-toothed mouth is apparently filled with... mush. Thus
> > > his famous nickname... heh.
> >
> > >> >>>>> i'm convinced he's the worlds biggest cynic.
> > >> >>>>> of course, i'm not trying to sway you toward common sense.
> > >> >>>>> i'm convinced that if dale said "jump"
> > >> >>>>> you'd say "how high?" you're a predictable
> > >> >>>>> little ass kissing vulture faced old
> > >> >>>>> fool. you can't even get your insults
> > >> >>>>> strait. you called dockery "mush mouth"
> > >> >>>>> then had your own vulture faced, mush mouthed
> > >> >>>>> photo displayed for all to see. what kind of crappy luck is
that!
> >
> > >> > > And the photograph is an old one... can you imagine the horror he
faces
> > >> > > every morning when he looks in the mirror and sees what new cruel
> > >> > > joke life has played on him the night before?
> >
> > >> > > I wanted to let this pass, and had even thought maybe our "truce"
would
> > >> > > last, but the old assface just keeps crawling back, begging for
more.
> >
> > >> > > No doubt this will go on for another 5000 post thread of his
> > >> > > whining over his hurt feelings...
> >
> > >> > >> > > if i was you, i'd stay away from flame wars.
> >
> > >> Mushmouth seems addicted to sniffing behind me. Apparently this will
> > >> continue on for ever how many years, weeks or days it takes one of us
> > >> to die... sounds sadly familiar.
> >
> > >> A shame he can't understand that his time would be better spent
> > >> working on his many obvious problems, such as the fact that he writes
> > >> forgetable poetry that will quickly fade and be forgotten as soon as
> > >> he posts it, as usual. Or the fact that he's an assfaced thug wannabe
> > >> intent on wasting my time... luckily I have more than enough to keep
> > >> him smacked down... heh.
> >
> > >> Anyway, let's see what garbage he's left dripping from this post like
> > >> the drool on his crone-like chin this morning:
> >
> > >> > >> > > you're a bit over the hill at this time.
> >
> > >> > >> Even worse, you're a stupid /and/ senile old man, Rob... spit
out
> > > your mush and whistle some more for us... heh.
> >
> > >> > >> That's about as likely as you stepping onto a stage
> >
> > >> I'll be doing that 15-20 times tonight, actually, Mushmouth, as part
> > >> of the new Sunday night open mic at the Sports Rock Cafe over in
> > >> Ladonia tonight, Mushmouth, introducing performers as well as doing a
> > >> couple of sets of my own. As I mentioned earlier, we'll be making
> > >> digital video of these from now on, to put on a SRC YouTube channel,
> > >> which you'll no doubt slobber and masturbate over for endless
hours...
> > >> heh.
> >
> > >> > without stumbling and
> >
> > >> > > Depends on which stage, how many fucken wires I'm not fond of
> > >> > > stepping on,
> > >> > > things like that, but looking at your photograph, you're about
> > >> > > ready to
> > >> > > be rolled onstage in a wheelchair, am I right, Mushmouth?
> >
> > >> > Clearly not true
> >
> > >> Sorry pal, but your photograph clearly shows your pathetic condition
> > >> of several years ago:
> >
> > >>http://tinyurl.com/5j4grx
> >
> > >> Maybe you've had a face-lift, bought a wig, and had those rotten
brown
> > >> teeth pulled and replaced with dentures since then, you still look so
> > >> feeble that I doubt you can walk well enough to make it to the stage,
> > >> much less stand there.
> >
> > >> > >> then managing to face the audience
> >
> > >> Which you most likely spray with gunk when you burble and
whistle-lisp
> > >> your dreary chopped-up-prose pretending to be poetry, and giving
small
> > >> children nightmares, since you're the spitting image of a modern day
> > >> Nosferatu?
> >
> > >> "We know."
> >
> > >> > > Since I'm onstage an average of 3-4 times a week, I'll keep your
> > > advice in
> > >> > > mind, Mushmouth, but there's certain times when "turning my back"
to the
> > >> > > audience is appropriate (and I'm aware you have no idea what my
situation
> > >> > > as far as stage performance is like, since you no doubt just sit
there
> > >> > > inyour wheelchair spittle-spewing the front row of your audience,
so thanks, but
> > >> > > really, no thanks) such as observing and giving a nod to the
drummer for
> > >> > > a particularly great beat, checking out a soloist in a far
corner,
> > >> > > and in general acting as a conductor for musicians who are
playing /my/ music.
> >
> > >> > > Miles Davis and Johnny Cash are two great examples of performers
who
> > >> > > were noted for facing away from the stage from time-to-time, and
of course I can
> > >> > > add that you're also exagerating,
> >
> > >> because you're a lying
> >
> > > You're the liar who spewed your sleazy lies about my personal life and
> > > family last year, you gunkmouthed old crone... which are archived,
since
> > > you probably forgot that little meltdown you had.
> >
> > Every one of them with the Duckrish modifier "apparently" attached
>
> You didn't seem to know what "apparent" meant then or now,
>
> I knew what it meant

Then why not use it like I do, which is correctly?

The fact that you're a shrivelled old crone-man with brown, rotten teeth is
/apparent/ from one glance at your photograph:

http://tinyurl.com/5j4grx

That's what is known as "posting proof", Mushmouth.

> Mushmouth... but thanks for dropping the libelous statements of last year.
>
> Not libelous and not dropped.

So, you're still a liar, no surprise there, Mushmouth.

> Many still speculate that you are a serial
> woman-abuser, "apparently".

Speculate all you want, and "post proof" if you have any, but your
statements of these lies as facts is libel, Mushmouth.

On the other hand, calling you a gunkmouthed, whistle-lisping liar is a
fact, as the recording of your inept performance of your dreary
chopped-up-prose "poem" makes apparent.

> However, nobody speculates that you took cynical distasteful

Your "taste" and speculation on whether I'm being "cynical" is a matter of
opinion, of course... if you try to present these as facts, you'd be lying,
as you know.

> advantage of your ex-wife's death

I wouldn't expect them to, since I never did these things you suggest that
you speculate about, Mushmouth.

--
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http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Leisha
2009-01-28 17:03:32 UTC
Permalink
On Jan 27, 12:42 am, "Rob Evans" <***@sky.com> wrote:
> "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:Nltfl.39079$***@newsfe21.iad...
>
>
>
> > *all i know is:
>
> Very little at all but do continue to demonstrate.
>
> > his comments AREN'T very helpful.
> > they mostly take cheap shots and
> > are a bit self indulgent.  i don't
> > mind constructive criticism.
> > also, opinions are wonderful.
> > however, insults over the internet
> > are lame and cowardly.
>
> His comments are extremely helpful and constructive when directed at people
> who want to improve.  The semi-literates like you, Dance and the Duck are
> never going to fall into that category.  

The charge of "semi-literate" is harsh, cruel, and untrue.

Leisha
On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
2009-01-28 17:23:38 UTC
Permalink
In article <9b044dfb-38c1-48de-8bf0-***@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Leisha says...
>
>On Jan 27, 12:42=A0am, "Rob Evans" <***@sky.com> wrote:
>> "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:Nltfl.39079$***@newsfe21.iad...
>>
>>
>>
>> > *all i know is:
>>
>> Very little at all but do continue to demonstrate.
>>
>> > his comments AREN'T very helpful.
>> > they mostly take cheap shots and
>> > are a bit self indulgent. =A0i don't
>> > mind constructive criticism.
>> > also, opinions are wonderful.
>> > however, insults over the internet
>> > are lame and cowardly.
>>
>> His comments are extremely helpful and constructive when directed at peop=
>le
>> who want to improve. =A0The semi-literates like you, Dance and the Duck a=
>re
>> never going to fall into that category. =A0
>
>The charge of "semi-literate" is harsh, cruel, and untrue.
>
>Leisha

how is it "untrue?"

most sincerely,

GodBuilt


--
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"I am a false prophet and God is a superstition.." "Again!"

There Will Be Blood
Rob Evans
2009-01-28 19:51:08 UTC
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"Leisha" <***@decisionresearch.org> wrote in message
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On Jan 27, 12:42 am, "Rob Evans" <***@sky.com> wrote:
> "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:Nltfl.39079$***@newsfe21.iad...
>
>
>
> > *all i know is:
>
> Very little at all but do continue to demonstrate.
>
> > his comments AREN'T very helpful.
> > they mostly take cheap shots and
> > are a bit self indulgent. i don't
> > mind constructive criticism.
> > also, opinions are wonderful.
> > however, insults over the internet
> > are lame and cowardly.
>
> His comments are extremely helpful and constructive when directed at
> people
> who want to improve. The semi-literates like you, Dance and the Duck are
> never going to fall into that category.

The charge of "semi-literate" is harsh, cruel, and untrue.

Leisha

Okay - "illiterate" - but I was trying to go easy on them. Sheesh!

Rob


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George Dance
2009-01-29 00:02:02 UTC
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On Jan 28, 12:03 pm, Leisha <***@decisionresearch.org> wrote:
> On Jan 27, 12:42 am, "Rob Evans" <***@sky.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:Nltfl.39079$***@newsfe21.iad...
>
> > > *all i know is:
>
> > Very little at all but do continue to demonstrate.
>
> > > his comments AREN'T very helpful.
> > > they mostly take cheap shots and
> > > are a bit self indulgent.  i don't
> > > mind constructive criticism.
> > > also, opinions are wonderful.
> > > however, insults over the internet
> > > are lame and cowardly.
>
> > His comments are extremely helpful and constructive when directed at people
> > who want to improve.  The semi-literates like you, Dance and the Duck are
> > never going to fall into that category.  
>
> The charge of "semi-literate" is harsh, cruel, and untrue.
>
> Leisha

I'm used to untrue statements from Rob Evans, when directed at me.
What I'd be more interested in is checking the truth of his first
sentence, regarding Dale's helpfulness.

You are obviously a writer who wants to improve, as you've invested in
that -- and I know that you specifically asked Dale Houstman to
critique at least one of your poems, your sonnet "Life, the Universe,
and Everything". Did you find his response "extremely helpful and
constructive"?
ggamble
2009-01-29 00:34:36 UTC
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On 28-Jan-2009, George Dance <***@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> I'm used to untrue statements from Rob Evans, when directed at me.


Would you care to point out just one?

We're anxiously waiting.

heh
George Dance
2009-01-29 01:20:05 UTC
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On Jan 28, 7:34 pm, "ggamble" <***@youbet.net> wrote:
> On 28-Jan-2009, George Dance <***@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > I'm used to untrue statements from Rob Evans, when directed at me.
>
> Would you care to point out just one?
>


OK, Gary; don't get your Depends in a knot.



Here's a cute one from the archives. I quoted something Rob's been
saying about sonnets for years, and "Honest Rob" started publicly
calling me a liar:

<quote>
On Oct 31, 5:48 am, Rob <***@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <***@t8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> George Dance <***@yahoo.ca> writes

> >That's exactly what Rob (if not you) is denying. By his 'pedantic
> >definition' (as someone else has called it), using even one anapest
> >etc. "fucks up" the meter, so that the result is no longer "really a
> >sonnet."

> At the risk of having another "naming of names" weasel dance fiasco, I
> have to ask: why are you such a liar George?

> Please provide evidence of even ONE post of mine where I say sonnets
> MUST comprise [...] lines of iambicpentameter.

"I wasn't going to bother to pursue this but, what the hell. You can
obviously read a dictionary but it got you no nearer to understanding
what a sonnet (or maybe even poetry) is all about. Your 'effort' had
14
lines and some bad rhymes and that was about as close as it got.
Now allow me to enlighten you. The construction of your sonnet was
not
Shakepearian, or Spenserian, or Miltonian, or Petrarchan (Italian) -
so
far so bad. It was not primarily in iambic pentameter nor was it any
other consistent metre - so far so worse."
http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/4dd73efaaa6ef87d

"Rob is better educated than you, and you
appear very silly to the cogniscenti in your censure. A sonnet
consists of fourteen lines of iambic pentameter with one of a few
different specific rhyme schemes. "
http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/c01004c5b1bac843

"Sonnets generally need to adhere to the 14 lines, iambic or
alexandrian
pentameter and a small variety of rhyme schemes and the topic is
immaterial."
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/msg/8284050b0b...

"Interesting - contains all the usual ridiculous archaic construction
of
a wannabe sonnet and yet completely fails to be one. You don't have
the
faintest idea do you. Iambic pentameter, purpose of the octet and
sestet
- they're all wasted on you."
http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/9ad506c2d38959ce

"ONE: it preserves the rhyme (clue - IT'S A SONNET)
TWO: it provides the line with iambic pentameter (clue - IT'S A
SONNET) "
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.postmodern/msg/956efc273565187a

"It should have 14 lines - so far, so good.
The lines should predominantly be in iambic pentameter, i.e.
decasyllabic with the spoken stress on the even numbered syllables."
http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/bcea94d0d4fc6b67

"Sonnets generally need to adhere to the 14 lines, iambic or
alexandrian
pentameter and a small variety of rhyme schemes and the topic is
immaterial."
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/msg/8284050b0b...

">Generally, you ask someone they will say that a sonnet is fourteen
lines of
>iambic pentameter. "

http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/321a68a714a35062
</q>


Will you require a message as well?
Gill Smith
2009-01-31 14:12:16 UTC
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"Leisha" <***@decisionresearch.org> wrote in message
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> On Jan 27, 12:42 am, "Rob Evans" <***@sky.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:Nltfl.39079$***@newsfe21.iad...
>
> > > *all i know is:
>
> > Very little at all but do continue to demonstrate.
>
> > > his comments AREN'T very helpful.
> > > they mostly take cheap shots and
> > > are a bit self indulgent. i don't
> > > mind constructive criticism.
> > > also, opinions are wonderful.
> > > however, insults over the internet
> > > are lame and cowardly.
>
> > His comments are extremely helpful and constructive when directed at
> > people
> > who want to improve. The semi-literates like you, Dance and the Duck
> > are
> > never going to fall into that category.
>
> The charge of "semi-literate" is harsh, cruel, and untrue.
>
> Leisha

What's to worry.

90% of lyrics don't work as poetry and 90% of those that do don't work as
songs.

P.S. Did I say 90? make that 99%

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msifg
2009-01-31 14:24:21 UTC
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"Gill Smith" <***@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:***@posted.plusnet...
> "Leisha" <***@decisionresearch.org> wrote in message
> news:9b044dfb-38c1-48de-8bf0-***@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 27, 12:42 am, "Rob Evans" <***@sky.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>
>> >news:Nltfl.39079$***@newsfe21.iad...
>>
>> > > *all i know is:
>>
>> > Very little at all but do continue to demonstrate.
>>
>> > > his comments AREN'T very helpful.
>> > > they mostly take cheap shots and
>> > > are a bit self indulgent. i don't
>> > > mind constructive criticism.
>> > > also, opinions are wonderful.
>> > > however, insults over the internet
>> > > are lame and cowardly.
>>
>> > His comments are extremely helpful and constructive when directed at
>> > people
>> > who want to improve. The semi-literates like you, Dance and the Duck
>> > are
>> > never going to fall into that category.
>>
>> The charge of "semi-literate" is harsh, cruel, and untrue.
>>
>> Leisha
>
> What's to worry.
>
> 90% of lyrics don't work as poetry and 90% of those that do don't work as
> songs.
>
> P.S. Did I say 90? make that 99%
>
> --
> http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/
>


thanks for listening and commenting-

i think.
Gill Smith
2009-02-01 21:27:38 UTC
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"msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Gill Smith" <***@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:***@posted.plusnet...
>> "Leisha" <***@decisionresearch.org> wrote in message
>> news:9b044dfb-38c1-48de-8bf0-***@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jan 27, 12:42 am, "Rob Evans" <***@sky.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>> >news:Nltfl.39079$***@newsfe21.iad...
>>>
>>> > > *all i know is:
>>>
>>> > Very little at all but do continue to demonstrate.
>>>
>>> > > his comments AREN'T very helpful.
>>> > > they mostly take cheap shots and
>>> > > are a bit self indulgent. i don't
>>> > > mind constructive criticism.
>>> > > also, opinions are wonderful.
>>> > > however, insults over the internet
>>> > > are lame and cowardly.
>>>
>>> > His comments are extremely helpful and constructive when directed at
>>> > people
>>> > who want to improve. The semi-literates like you, Dance and the Duck
>>> > are
>>> > never going to fall into that category.
>>>
>>> The charge of "semi-literate" is harsh, cruel, and untrue.
>>>
>>> Leisha
>>
>> What's to worry.
>>
>> 90% of lyrics don't work as poetry and 90% of those that do don't work as
>> songs.
>>
>> P.S. Did I say 90? make that 99%
>>
>> --
>> http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/
>>
>
>
> thanks for listening and commenting-
>
> i think.

Don't mind me. I'm just bitter and twisted. Best set of lyrics I ever write
no longer jive with the music I up-tempoed.

--
http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/
Will Dockery
2009-01-27 22:34:18 UTC
Permalink
"George Dance" wrote:
>On Jan 19, 7:25 pm, "msifg" wrote:
> "msifg" wrote:
> > "Dale Houstman" <***@skypoint.com> wrote:
>
> >> Songs - like poetry - lean heavily on imagery, and (especially in song)
> >> clever or evocative wordplay. This piece manages to avoid it all, and
to
> >> toss in faint wisps of inept thievery for good measure. It's so
> >> irredeemably bereft of the virtues of lyrics, that it hurts to identify
> >> them as such, like looking at the mangled corpse of a good friend and
> >> reluctantly declaring it was he. But someone has to do it, so the
family
> >> can eventually move on with their lives. This stinks. DOA.
>
> >> dmh
>
> > actually-
> > i have to defend one thing.
>
> > "thievery."
>
> > i really shouldn't let that one slide.
>
> > i contest that accusation.
>
> > that's defamatory.
>
> > i ask you to point to one song i ripped off
> > to the point of "thievery."
>
> > as musicians, we borrow from our influences.
>
> > i borrowed plenty in this song.
>
> > but to accuse me of the extreme would need
> > clarification.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > matt
>
> nothing.
>
> i rest my case.
>
> this man is a cheap thrills tabloid style
> sleazy commentator that goes for entertainment
> value in his critiques.
>
> i have no problem with most of his critique
> because it actually fits into part of my initial
> concept of theme in the piece.
>
> that's why i was at first ready to accept it and move on.
>
> but when he claimed i "thieved," i had to draw the
> line.

Hmmm ... Dale has accused me and Will Dockery of stealing poems, too,
without evidence (in my case at least):

"I would be the first to admit that those poems (at least mine) were
not
precisely first tier material, but they do qualify as poems, and were
all better examples of the type than anything done (or stolen) by Will
and George."
dmh

Interesting; since after "cocksucker" and "pedophile", "thief" seems
to be the major name in the rapkooks' smearchest.

> i called him on it.
>
> he had no answer.
>
> he's wrong and should admit it.
>
> however, that's what a man would do.
>
>> i don't expect to hear from him.
>
>I'm still ambivalent on how to classify Dale -- rapkook or free agent?
On the one hand he mainly seems to work independently, and doesn't
usually get involved in flame wars. However, when he does jump into a
flame war, I notice it's usually to back up a rapkook: I've noticed
him backing up Gary Gamble, and Rob Evans, and when searching for this
quote I found him defending Pete Ross in a six-year-old thread(!).
Right now I've got him as a stealth kook, like Karla Rogers; someone
who pretends to be apart from it all, and only jumps in when needed to
defend a rapkook as "proof" (to the casual reader) that the rapkook
>must be right.

In all those years, have you seen even one post where Dale Houstman
commented on a poem (besides his own, of course) that he liked?

I can't think of any, offhand.

--
"Twilight Girl" and other new poetry & music from Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
George Dance
2009-01-18 20:22:12 UTC
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On Jan 18, 3:02 am, "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
> Mary Jane
>
> If you could walk a mile in my shoes
> you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
> But when the rain falls down
> and it doesn't make a sound
> That's when you blame the way it fell.
>
> I don't have to chose
> if I've got nothing to lose.
> I'll just sing the blues.
>
> Goodbye Mary Jane.
> If I never see you again
> I hope you find what you're looking for.
> Your love was sweet,
> Swept me off my feet
> and carried me on.
>
> ArtiZnaam
> 2006
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425

I'm glad you gave the links, because I did what you asked for: read
the words while listening to the song. I liked the music; very soft
and elegaic; it reminded me of Lou Reed ("Pale Blue Eyes") and Lynyrd
Skynyrd (beginning of "Freebird"), of all the odd combinations.

The lyrics: well, I'd say they're good, in that they do the job: they
not only fit the rhythm, but the mood of loss as well. In that sense,
they do what lyrics are supposed to do: (1) get a listener to shut up
and listen, rather than talking through the piece, and (2) provide a
way into the mood the music's exploring. So, yeah, good lyrics.

But not great lyrics. Great lyrics are those that could stand on their
own without the music; and, yeah, these aren't that great on their own
without the music. I won't use the "c" word, but pretty much of
everything you say I swear I've read at least once. So, not great. But
(I did say) good.

To my mind, that's the crucial distinction between song lyrics and
poetry: poetry is words alone, while lyrics are not. In a song, the
words can simply tell the story, while the music provides the song
(the rhythm and the melody. But in a poem, the words have to all of
that on their own.
msifg
2009-01-18 20:30:25 UTC
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"George Dance" <***@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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On Jan 18, 3:02 am, "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
> Mary Jane
>
> If you could walk a mile in my shoes
> you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
> But when the rain falls down
> and it doesn't make a sound
> That's when you blame the way it fell.
>
> I don't have to chose
> if I've got nothing to lose.
> I'll just sing the blues.
>
> Goodbye Mary Jane.
> If I never see you again
> I hope you find what you're looking for.
> Your love was sweet,
> Swept me off my feet
> and carried me on.
>
> ArtiZnaam
> 2006
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425

I'm glad you gave the links, because I did what you asked for: read
the words while listening to the song. I liked the music; very soft
and elegaic; it reminded me of Lou Reed ("Pale Blue Eyes") and Lynyrd
Skynyrd (beginning of "Freebird"), of all the odd combinations.

The lyrics: well, I'd say they're good, in that they do the job: they
not only fit the rhythm, but the mood of loss as well. In that sense,
they do what lyrics are supposed to do: (1) get a listener to shut up
and listen, rather than talking through the piece, and (2) provide a
way into the mood the music's exploring. So, yeah, good lyrics.

But not great lyrics. Great lyrics are those that could stand on their
own without the music; and, yeah, these aren't that great on their own
without the music. I won't use the "c" word, but pretty much of
everything you say I swear I've read at least once. So, not great. But
(I did say) good.

To my mind, that's the crucial distinction between song lyrics and
poetry: poetry is words alone, while lyrics are not. In a song, the
words can simply tell the story, while the music provides the song
(the rhythm and the melody. But in a poem, the words have to all of
that on their own.



*that THAT'S constructive feedback.

thanks.
Mark
2009-01-19 02:06:43 UTC
Permalink
On Jan 18, 3:30 pm, "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:

> *that THAT'S constructive feedback.
>
> thanks.-

Hi Matt,

I tired to pull up you music but kept getting an
error on the page. When I get a little more time,
I can figure it out.

Yes that was constructive feed back. When Dale
gave his critical feedback (the short one), it was
ok as far as being descriptive. However, I noticed in
his later critique, that it was overtly callous and
needlessly long winded, which might bring one
to conclude that it was self serving in some nasty
way. This brought me to the sudden realization
that the rule of thumb is obviously transparent;

A negitive critique of specific and brief terms,
is ocassionally normal, but if that person never
balances out their observations with an equal
amount of compliments and positive comments,
then they are very suspect as a depressive
or antisocial personality.

The conventional wisdom is that if you can't say
something nice, then don't say anything at all.

The internet is filled with people who need
professional help, and who have absolutely
nothing going for themselves but to sit and
project their self loathing towards others.

Sad really.

Good to have people like George around.

---
Mark
msifg
2009-01-19 02:13:57 UTC
Permalink
"Mark" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:753f0ea7-872d-4d2f-93db-***@a12g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 18, 3:30 pm, "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:

> *that THAT'S constructive feedback.
>
> thanks.-

Hi Matt,

I tired to pull up you music but kept getting an
error on the page. When I get a little more time,
I can figure it out.

Yes that was constructive feed back. When Dale
gave his critical feedback (the short one), it was
ok as far as being descriptive. However, I noticed in
his later critique, that it was overtly callous and
needlessly long winded, which might bring one
to conclude that it was self serving in some nasty
way. This brought me to the sudden realization
that the rule of thumb is obviously transparent;

A negitive critique of specific and brief terms,
is ocassionally normal, but if that person never
balances out their observations with an equal
amount of compliments and positive comments,
then they are very suspect as a depressive
or antisocial personality.

The conventional wisdom is that if you can't say
something nice, then don't say anything at all.

The internet is filled with people who need
professional help, and who have absolutely
nothing going for themselves but to sit and
project their self loathing towards others.

Sad really.

Good to have people like George around.

---
Mark



yeah-
and there's never any reason to believe that those
who have "ways" with constructing words in such a way
to exact the MAXIMUM punch, aren't gonna get a little
back now and then.

espicially from us "ignorants."

har har har
Manwolf
2009-01-19 04:16:07 UTC
Permalink
Mark wrote:
> On Jan 18, 3:30 pm, "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> *that THAT'S constructive feedback.
>>
>> thanks.-
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> I tired to pull up you music but kept getting an
> error on the page. When I get a little more time,
> I can figure it out.
>
> Yes that was constructive feed back. When Dale
> gave his critical feedback (the short one), it was
> ok as far as being descriptive. However, I noticed in
> his later critique, that it was overtly callous and
> needlessly long winded, which might bring one
> to conclude that it was self serving in some nasty
> way. This brought me to the sudden realization
> that the rule of thumb is obviously transparent;
>
> A negitive critique of specific and brief terms,
> is ocassionally normal, but if that person never
> balances out their observations with an equal
> amount of compliments and positive comments,
> then they are very suspect as a depressive
> or antisocial personality.
>
> The conventional wisdom is that if you can't say
> something nice, then don't say anything at all.


> The internet is filled with people who need
> professional help, and who have absolutely
> nothing going for themselves but to sit and
> project their self loathing towards others.
>
> Sad really.

Then again there are certain protocols that call for sitting around
eating cheese puffs in your stained underwear attempting to make
squeezed zits out of human beings for pleasure. It's in the very back of
the life manual under special exceptions.
Will Dockery
2009-01-23 05:20:03 UTC
Permalink
On Jan 18, 3:22 pm, George Dance <***@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Jan 18, 3:02 am, "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Mary Jane
>
> > If you could walk a mile in my shoes
> > you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
> > But when the rain falls down
> > and it doesn't make a sound
> > That's when you blame the way it fell.
>
> > I don't have to chose
> > if I've got nothing to lose.
> > I'll just sing the blues.
>
> > Goodbye Mary Jane.
> > If I never see you again
> > I hope you find what you're looking for.
> > Your love was sweet,
> > Swept me off my feet
> > and carried me on.
>
> > ArtiZnaam
> > 2006
>
> >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> I'm glad you gave the links, because I did what you asked for: read
> the words while listening to the song. I liked the music; very soft
> and elegaic; it reminded me of Lou Reed ("Pale Blue Eyes") and Lynyrd
> Skynyrd (beginning of "Freebird"), of all the odd combinations.

That does sound like an interesting combination! I look forward to
hearing this...

> The lyrics: well, I'd say they're good, in that they do the job: they
> not only fit the rhythm, but the mood of loss as well. In that sense,
> they do what lyrics are supposed to do: (1) get a listener to shut up
> and listen, rather than talking through the piece, and (2) provide a
> way into the mood the music's exploring. So, yeah, good lyrics.
>
> But not great lyrics. Great lyrics are those that could stand on their
> own without the music; and, yeah, these aren't that great on their own
> without the music. I won't use the "c" word, but pretty much of
> everything you say I swear I've read at least once. So, not great. But
> (I did say) good.
>
> To my mind, that's the crucial distinction between song lyrics and
> poetry: poetry is words alone, while lyrics are not. In a song, the
> words can simply tell the story, while the music provides the song
> (the rhythm and the melody. But in a poem, the words have to all of
> that on their own.

--
"Twilight Girl" and other song-poems by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
msifg
2009-01-25 00:44:07 UTC
Permalink
"Will Dockery" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e9ab7580-aaf6-4f61-ad8b-***@g39g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 18, 3:22 pm, George Dance <***@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Jan 18, 3:02 am, "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Mary Jane
>
> > If you could walk a mile in my shoes
> > you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
> > But when the rain falls down
> > and it doesn't make a sound
> > That's when you blame the way it fell.
>
> > I don't have to chose
> > if I've got nothing to lose.
> > I'll just sing the blues.
>
> > Goodbye Mary Jane.
> > If I never see you again
> > I hope you find what you're looking for.
> > Your love was sweet,
> > Swept me off my feet
> > and carried me on.
>
> > ArtiZnaam
> > 2006
>
> >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> I'm glad you gave the links, because I did what you asked for: read
> the words while listening to the song. I liked the music; very soft
> and elegaic; it reminded me of Lou Reed ("Pale Blue Eyes") and Lynyrd
> Skynyrd (beginning of "Freebird"), of all the odd combinations.

That does sound like an interesting combination! I look forward to
hearing this...

> The lyrics: well, I'd say they're good, in that they do the job: they
> not only fit the rhythm, but the mood of loss as well. In that sense,
> they do what lyrics are supposed to do: (1) get a listener to shut up
> and listen, rather than talking through the piece, and (2) provide a
> way into the mood the music's exploring. So, yeah, good lyrics.
>
> But not great lyrics. Great lyrics are those that could stand on their
> own without the music; and, yeah, these aren't that great on their own
> without the music. I won't use the "c" word, but pretty much of
> everything you say I swear I've read at least once. So, not great. But
> (I did say) good.
>
> To my mind, that's the crucial distinction between song lyrics and
> poetry: poetry is words alone, while lyrics are not. In a song, the
> words can simply tell the story, while the music provides the song
> (the rhythm and the melody. But in a poem, the words have to all of
> that on their own.

--
"Twilight Girl" and other song-poems by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery


i'll work on that cd this weekend.
Will Dockery
2009-01-26 18:13:59 UTC
Permalink
"msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
> "Will Dockery" wrote:
>> On Jan 18, 3:22 pm, George Dance wrote:
> > On Jan 18, 3:02 am, "msifg" wrote:
>
> > > Mary Jane
> >
> > > If you could walk a mile in my shoes
> > > you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
> > > But when the rain falls down
> > > and it doesn't make a sound
> > > That's when you blame the way it fell.
> >
> > > I don't have to chose
> > > if I've got nothing to lose.
> > > I'll just sing the blues.
> >
> > > Goodbye Mary Jane.
> > > If I never see you again
> > > I hope you find what you're looking for.
> > > Your love was sweet,
> > > Swept me off my feet
> > > and carried me on.
> >
> > > ArtiZnaam
> > > 2006
> >
> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
> >
> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
> >
> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
> >
> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
> >
> > I'm glad you gave the links, because I did what you asked for: read
> > the words while listening to the song. I liked the music; very soft
> > and elegaic; it reminded me of Lou Reed ("Pale Blue Eyes") and Lynyrd
> > Skynyrd (beginning of "Freebird"), of all the odd combinations.
>
> That does sound like an interesting combination! I look forward to
> hearing this...
>
> > The lyrics: well, I'd say they're good, in that they do the job: they
> > not only fit the rhythm, but the mood of loss as well. In that sense,
> > they do what lyrics are supposed to do: (1) get a listener to shut up
> > and listen, rather than talking through the piece, and (2) provide a
> > way into the mood the music's exploring. So, yeah, good lyrics.
> >
> > But not great lyrics. Great lyrics are those that could stand on their
> > own without the music; and, yeah, these aren't that great on their own
> > without the music. I won't use the "c" word, but pretty much of
> > everything you say I swear I've read at least once. So, not great. But
> > (I did say) good.
> >
> > To my mind, that's the crucial distinction between song lyrics and
> > poetry: poetry is words alone, while lyrics are not. In a song, the
> > words can simply tell the story, while the music provides the song
> > (the rhythm and the melody. But in a poem, the words have to all of
> > that on their own.
>
> i'll work on that cd this weekend.

I know this is somewhere out there in the archives, but, again:

Will Dockery
POBox 7394
Columbus Georgia 31909

Word is that I'll be having a disc to trade with you sometime this year...
going for a final mix session tonight at Larry Rose's studio tonight,
although lst night I told HC that I'm happy with the mix as long as
everything's /loud/.

--
"Twilight Girl" and other song-poems by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
msifg
2009-01-26 21:11:49 UTC
Permalink
"Will Dockery" <will-dockery-***@knology.net> wrote in message
news:876e8$497dff67$4b4c71e9$***@KNOLOGY.NET...
>
> "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
>> "Will Dockery" wrote:
>>> On Jan 18, 3:22 pm, George Dance wrote:
>> > On Jan 18, 3:02 am, "msifg" wrote:
>>
>> > > Mary Jane
>> >
>> > > If you could walk a mile in my shoes
>> > > you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
>> > > But when the rain falls down
>> > > and it doesn't make a sound
>> > > That's when you blame the way it fell.
>> >
>> > > I don't have to chose
>> > > if I've got nothing to lose.
>> > > I'll just sing the blues.
>> >
>> > > Goodbye Mary Jane.
>> > > If I never see you again
>> > > I hope you find what you're looking for.
>> > > Your love was sweet,
>> > > Swept me off my feet
>> > > and carried me on.
>> >
>> > > ArtiZnaam
>> > > 2006
>> >
>> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>> >
>> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>> >
>> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>> >
>> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>> >
>> > I'm glad you gave the links, because I did what you asked for: read
>> > the words while listening to the song. I liked the music; very soft
>> > and elegaic; it reminded me of Lou Reed ("Pale Blue Eyes") and Lynyrd
>> > Skynyrd (beginning of "Freebird"), of all the odd combinations.
>>
>> That does sound like an interesting combination! I look forward to
>> hearing this...
>>
>> > The lyrics: well, I'd say they're good, in that they do the job: they
>> > not only fit the rhythm, but the mood of loss as well. In that sense,
>> > they do what lyrics are supposed to do: (1) get a listener to shut up
>> > and listen, rather than talking through the piece, and (2) provide a
>> > way into the mood the music's exploring. So, yeah, good lyrics.
>> >
>> > But not great lyrics. Great lyrics are those that could stand on their
>> > own without the music; and, yeah, these aren't that great on their own
>> > without the music. I won't use the "c" word, but pretty much of
>> > everything you say I swear I've read at least once. So, not great. But
>> > (I did say) good.
>> >
>> > To my mind, that's the crucial distinction between song lyrics and
>> > poetry: poetry is words alone, while lyrics are not. In a song, the
>> > words can simply tell the story, while the music provides the song
>> > (the rhythm and the melody. But in a poem, the words have to all of
>> > that on their own.
>>
>> i'll work on that cd this weekend.
>
> I know this is somewhere out there in the archives, but, again:
>
> Will Dockery
> POBox 7394
> Columbus Georgia 31909
>
> Word is that I'll be having a disc to trade with you sometime this year...
> going for a final mix session tonight at Larry Rose's studio tonight,
> although lst night I told HC that I'm happy with the mix as long as
> everything's /loud/.
>
> --
> "Twilight Girl" and other song-poems by Will Dockery:
> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>
>

hey Will,

glad to here it.

i should have yours out by this week.

(had to put my cat down last tuesday.
not a good week.)
Will Dockery
2009-01-29 16:13:46 UTC
Permalink
"msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
> "Will Dockery" wrote:
>> On Jan 18, 3:22 pm, George Dance wrote:
>>> On Jan 18, 3:02 am, "msifg" wrote:
>
> >> > > Mary Jane
>
> >> > > If you could walk a mile in my shoes
> >> > > you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
> >> > > But when the rain falls down
> >> > > and it doesn't make a sound
> >> > > That's when you blame the way it fell.
>
> >> > > I don't have to chose
> >> > > if I've got nothing to lose.
> >> > > I'll just sing the blues.
>
> >> > > Goodbye Mary Jane.
> >> > > If I never see you again
> >> > > I hope you find what you're looking for.
> >> > > Your love was sweet,
> >> > > Swept me off my feet
> >> > > and carried me on.
>
> >> > > ArtiZnaam
> >> > > 2006
>
> >> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >> > I'm glad you gave the links, because I did what you asked for: read
> >> > the words while listening to the song. I liked the music; very soft
> >> > and elegaic; it reminded me of Lou Reed ("Pale Blue Eyes") and Lynyrd
> >> > Skynyrd (beginning of "Freebird"), of all the odd combinations.
>
> >> That does sound like an interesting combination! I look forward to
> >> hearing this...
>
> >> > The lyrics: well, I'd say they're good, in that they do the job: they
> >> > not only fit the rhythm, but the mood of loss as well. In that sense,
> >> > they do what lyrics are supposed to do: (1) get a listener to shut up
> >> > and listen, rather than talking through the piece, and (2) provide a
> >> > way into the mood the music's exploring. So, yeah, good lyrics.
>
> >> > But not great lyrics. Great lyrics are those that could stand on their
> >> > own without the music; and, yeah, these aren't that great on their own
> >> > without the music. I won't use the "c" word, but pretty much of
> >> > everything you say I swear I've read at least once. So, not great. But
> >> > (I did say) good.
>
> >> > To my mind, that's the crucial distinction between song lyrics and
> >> > poetry: poetry is words alone, while lyrics are not. In a song, the
> >> > words can simply tell the story, while the music provides the song
> >> > (the rhythm and the melody. But in a poem, the words have to all of
> >> > that on their own.
>
> >> i'll work on that cd this weekend.
>
> > I know this is somewhere out there in the archives, but, again:
>
> > Will Dockery
> > POBox 7394
> > Columbus Georgia 31909
>
> > Word is that I'll be having a disc to trade with you sometime this year...
> > going for a final mix session tonight at Larry Rose's studio tonight,
> > although lst night I told HC that I'm happy with the mix as long as
> > everything's /loud/.
>
> hey Will,
>
> glad to here it.
>
> i should have yours out by this week.
>
> (had to put my cat down last tuesday.
> not a good week.)

Hey, Matt.

Just ran across this one, sorry about your cat. I have a growing
collection of cats (an unfixed maine coon named Princess Pistoltail &
the infamous Goldfinger, the old yeller cat of song & story), which
I'm hoping will find some good homes in the near future, as well as
the eight-year-old smoke grey Ding-Dong--- she's learned to talk
recently, I kid you not, she can say "Will" perfectly when I pass near
her room!--- and so on, a lovely bunch that I'd try to give you one of
if you were anywhere near the Shadowville area. George Sulzbach took
the twin sisters with the smooth chestnut mare mix in their fur, saw
them last night when I went by to break the news of our old friend
Rick Howe's passing, their purring sounding like racecar engines...
anyway, I know how it is to lose a cat friend.

But, I look forward to the music, and (also =z= if you're out there,
who I owe a trade) the breaking news is that suddenly and finally I
should have an "official" disc to trade with you (and anyone else out
there with an interest) sometime in the near future, as the 'press
release' going out and about details:

Shadowville Speedway, the 1st Dockery-Conley CD album nears
completion.

The final touches are being put on the Dockery-Conley CD album,
"Shadowville Speedway"--- and the record is finally planned for
release in April 2009, to coincide with the Hogbottom Music Festival
(April 19th). Final mixes were completed at Larry Rose Studio Monday
night, and the cover art, a black and white cartoon of Will Dockery
and Henry Conley by George Sulzbach has been finished. Sulzbach, a
childhood friend of Dockery, is an accomplished fine arts painter, and
has intimate knowledge of Shadowville and its denzions and ilk, and
captures this on the haunted comic strip faces of Dockery and Conley.
The cover is a work of art suiatble for framing in its own right. The
track listing is as follows:

1) "Wobble"
2) Truck Stop Woman
3) The Surgeon General
4) Twilight Girl
5) Sidewalk Spinner
6) Shadowville Speedway
7) Fade Away Encounter
8) Black and Blue Night
9) Hasty Pudding
10) Last Dream Today
11) Rag Picker Joe
12) Ozone Stigmata
13) All the time in the world

Shadowville project 2007-2009
All songs by Will Dockery/Henry Conley ©2009
Except "Last Dream Today" by Will Dockery & Brian Mallard
Recorded by Larry Rose Studio, Sept. & Dec. 2007 & Aug. 2008
Engineered by Larry Rose
Produced by Henry Conley
Cover art by George Sulzbach

Musicians:

Will Dockery vocals on all tracks
Henry Conley - Guitars on all tracks, backing vocals ( lead vocals
track 7)
John Phillips - Drums on all tracks
Doug Conley - Bass guitar on tracks 1,2,3,4,8,9 Clarinet tracks
1,5,6,7,11
Eileen D'esterno - Backing vocals on tracks 1,7,10,12
Rick Edwards - Mandolin on track 1, Harmonica on tracks 3 & 9
Riley Yielding - Trumpet on tracks 1,5,6,7,11
Gene Woolfolk - Flute on tracks 2,4,8,10,12,13 Keyboard on track 12
John Overstreet - Trombone on track 5, Euphonium on track 11
Jim White - Bass guitar on tracks 5,6,7,11
Jordan Beck - Bass guitar on tracks 10, 12 & 13

A collector's lyric booklet will be made available soon for $2
postpaid from:
Will Dockery
P.O. Box 7394
Columbus Georgia 31909

--
"Twilight Girl" and other song-poems by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
msifg
2009-01-30 05:17:14 UTC
Permalink
"Will Dockery" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2eb1a69a-cc69-4c0d-a9a3-***@r27g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
"msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
> "Will Dockery" wrote:
>> On Jan 18, 3:22 pm, George Dance wrote:
>>> On Jan 18, 3:02 am, "msifg" wrote:
>
> >> > > Mary Jane
>
> >> > > If you could walk a mile in my shoes
> >> > > you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
> >> > > But when the rain falls down
> >> > > and it doesn't make a sound
> >> > > That's when you blame the way it fell.
>
> >> > > I don't have to chose
> >> > > if I've got nothing to lose.
> >> > > I'll just sing the blues.
>
> >> > > Goodbye Mary Jane.
> >> > > If I never see you again
> >> > > I hope you find what you're looking for.
> >> > > Your love was sweet,
> >> > > Swept me off my feet
> >> > > and carried me on.
>
> >> > > ArtiZnaam
> >> > > 2006
>
> >> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >> > I'm glad you gave the links, because I did what you asked for: read
> >> > the words while listening to the song. I liked the music; very soft
> >> > and elegaic; it reminded me of Lou Reed ("Pale Blue Eyes") and Lynyrd
> >> > Skynyrd (beginning of "Freebird"), of all the odd combinations.
>
> >> That does sound like an interesting combination! I look forward to
> >> hearing this...
>
> >> > The lyrics: well, I'd say they're good, in that they do the job: they
> >> > not only fit the rhythm, but the mood of loss as well. In that sense,
> >> > they do what lyrics are supposed to do: (1) get a listener to shut up
> >> > and listen, rather than talking through the piece, and (2) provide a
> >> > way into the mood the music's exploring. So, yeah, good lyrics.
>
> >> > But not great lyrics. Great lyrics are those that could stand on
> >> > their
> >> > own without the music; and, yeah, these aren't that great on their
> >> > own
> >> > without the music. I won't use the "c" word, but pretty much of
> >> > everything you say I swear I've read at least once. So, not great.
> >> > But
> >> > (I did say) good.
>
> >> > To my mind, that's the crucial distinction between song lyrics and
> >> > poetry: poetry is words alone, while lyrics are not. In a song, the
> >> > words can simply tell the story, while the music provides the song
> >> > (the rhythm and the melody. But in a poem, the words have to all of
> >> > that on their own.
>
> >> i'll work on that cd this weekend.
>
> > I know this is somewhere out there in the archives, but, again:
>
> > Will Dockery
> > POBox 7394
> > Columbus Georgia 31909
>
> > Word is that I'll be having a disc to trade with you sometime this
> > year...
> > going for a final mix session tonight at Larry Rose's studio tonight,
> > although lst night I told HC that I'm happy with the mix as long as
> > everything's /loud/.
>
> hey Will,
>
> glad to here it.
>
> i should have yours out by this week.
>
> (had to put my cat down last tuesday.
> not a good week.)

Hey, Matt.

Just ran across this one, sorry about your cat. I have a growing
collection of cats (an unfixed maine coon named Princess Pistoltail &
the infamous Goldfinger, the old yeller cat of song & story), which
I'm hoping will find some good homes in the near future, as well as
the eight-year-old smoke grey Ding-Dong--- she's learned to talk
recently, I kid you not, she can say "Will" perfectly when I pass near
her room!--- and so on, a lovely bunch that I'd try to give you one of
if you were anywhere near the Shadowville area. George Sulzbach took
the twin sisters with the smooth chestnut mare mix in their fur, saw
them last night when I went by to break the news of our old friend
Rick Howe's passing, their purring sounding like racecar engines...
anyway, I know how it is to lose a cat friend.

But, I look forward to the music, and (also =z= if you're out there,
who I owe a trade) the breaking news is that suddenly and finally I
should have an "official" disc to trade with you (and anyone else out
there with an interest) sometime in the near future, as the 'press
release' going out and about details:

Shadowville Speedway, the 1st Dockery-Conley CD album nears
completion.

The final touches are being put on the Dockery-Conley CD album,
"Shadowville Speedway"--- and the record is finally planned for
release in April 2009, to coincide with the Hogbottom Music Festival
(April 19th). Final mixes were completed at Larry Rose Studio Monday
night, and the cover art, a black and white cartoon of Will Dockery
and Henry Conley by George Sulzbach has been finished. Sulzbach, a
childhood friend of Dockery, is an accomplished fine arts painter, and
has intimate knowledge of Shadowville and its denzions and ilk, and
captures this on the haunted comic strip faces of Dockery and Conley.
The cover is a work of art suiatble for framing in its own right. The
track listing is as follows:

1) "Wobble"
2) Truck Stop Woman
3) The Surgeon General
4) Twilight Girl
5) Sidewalk Spinner
6) Shadowville Speedway
7) Fade Away Encounter
8) Black and Blue Night
9) Hasty Pudding
10) Last Dream Today
11) Rag Picker Joe
12) Ozone Stigmata
13) All the time in the world

Shadowville project 2007-2009
All songs by Will Dockery/Henry Conley ©2009
Except "Last Dream Today" by Will Dockery & Brian Mallard
Recorded by Larry Rose Studio, Sept. & Dec. 2007 & Aug. 2008
Engineered by Larry Rose
Produced by Henry Conley
Cover art by George Sulzbach

Musicians:

Will Dockery vocals on all tracks
Henry Conley - Guitars on all tracks, backing vocals ( lead vocals
track 7)
John Phillips - Drums on all tracks
Doug Conley - Bass guitar on tracks 1,2,3,4,8,9 Clarinet tracks
1,5,6,7,11
Eileen D'esterno - Backing vocals on tracks 1,7,10,12
Rick Edwards - Mandolin on track 1, Harmonica on tracks 3 & 9
Riley Yielding - Trumpet on tracks 1,5,6,7,11
Gene Woolfolk - Flute on tracks 2,4,8,10,12,13 Keyboard on track 12
John Overstreet - Trombone on track 5, Euphonium on track 11
Jim White - Bass guitar on tracks 5,6,7,11
Jordan Beck - Bass guitar on tracks 10, 12 & 13

A collector's lyric booklet will be made available soon for $2
postpaid from:
Will Dockery
P.O. Box 7394
Columbus Georgia 31909

--
"Twilight Girl" and other song-poems by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery


glad to hear this news.

i would like the booklet as well.

had to work a shit load of overtime this week
so the "trade" will go out first thing next week.

thanks for the kind words about Yoda, my
recently deseased cat friend.
i don't think i want another quite yet, but
thanks for offering. yoda is survived
by chaco, my other cat.
Will Dockery
2009-01-30 15:53:16 UTC
Permalink
"msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>> On Jan 18, 3:22 pm, George Dance wrote:
>>> On Jan 18, 3:02 am, "msifg" wrote:
>
> > >> > > Mary Jane
> >
> > >> > > If you could walk a mile in my shoes
> > >> > > you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
> > >> > > But when the rain falls down
> > >> > > and it doesn't make a sound
> > >> > > That's when you blame the way it fell.
> >
> > >> > > I don't have to chose
> > >> > > if I've got nothing to lose.
> > >> > > I'll just sing the blues.
> >
> > >> > > Goodbye Mary Jane.
> > >> > > If I never see you again
> > >> > > I hope you find what you're looking for.
> > >> > > Your love was sweet,
> > >> > > Swept me off my feet
> > >> > > and carried me on.
> >
> > >> > > ArtiZnaam
> > >> > > 2006
> >
> > >> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
> >
> > >> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
> >
> > >> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
> >
> > >> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
> >
> > >> > I'm glad you gave the links, because I did what you asked for: read
> > >> > the words while listening to the song. I liked the music; very soft
> > >> > and elegaic; it reminded me of Lou Reed ("Pale Blue Eyes") and
Lynyrd
> > >> > Skynyrd (beginning of "Freebird"), of all the odd combinations.
> >
> > >> That does sound like an interesting combination! I look forward to
hearing this...
> >
> > >> > The lyrics: well, I'd say they're good, in that they do the job:
they
> > >> > not only fit the rhythm, but the mood of loss as well. In that
sense,
> > >> > they do what lyrics are supposed to do: (1) get a listener to shut
up
> > >> > and listen, rather than talking through the piece, and (2) provide
a
> > >> > way into the mood the music's exploring. So, yeah, good lyrics.
> >
> > >> > But not great lyrics. Great lyrics are those that could stand on
their
> > >> > own without the music; and, yeah, these aren't that great on their
own
> > >> > without the music. I won't use the "c" word, but pretty much of
> > >> > everything you say I swear I've read at least once. So, not great.
But (I did say) good.
> >
> > >> > To my mind, that's the crucial distinction between song lyrics and
> > >> > poetry: poetry is words alone, while lyrics are not. In a song, the
> > >> > words can simply tell the story, while the music provides the song
> > >> > (the rhythm and the melody. But in a poem, the words have to all of
> > >> > that on their own.
> >
> > >> i'll work on that cd this weekend.
> >
> > > I know this is somewhere out there in the archives, but, again:
> >
> > > Will Dockery
> > > POBox 7394
> > > Columbus Georgia 31909
> >
> > > Word is that I'll be having a disc to trade with you sometime this
> > > year...
> > > going for a final mix session tonight at Larry Rose's studio tonight,
> > > although lst night I told HC that I'm happy with the mix as long as
> > > everything's /loud/.
> >
> > hey Will,
> >
> > glad to here it.
> >
> > i should have yours out by this week.
> >
> > (had to put my cat down last tuesday.
> > not a good week.)
>
> Hey, Matt.
>
> Just ran across this one, sorry about your cat. I have a growing
> collection of cats (an unfixed maine coon named Princess Pistoltail &
> the infamous Goldfinger, the old yeller cat of song & story), which
> I'm hoping will find some good homes in the near future, as well as
> the eight-year-old smoke grey Ding-Dong--- she's learned to talk
> recently, I kid you not, she can say "Will" perfectly when I pass near
> her room!--- and so on, a lovely bunch that I'd try to give you one of
> if you were anywhere near the Shadowville area. George Sulzbach took
> the twin sisters with the smooth chestnut mare mix in their fur, saw
> them last night when I went by to break the news of our old friend
> Rick Howe's passing, their purring sounding like racecar engines...
> anyway, I know how it is to lose a cat friend.
>
> But, I look forward to the music, and (also =z= if you're out there,
> who I owe a trade) the breaking news is that suddenly and finally I
> should have an "official" disc to trade with you (and anyone else out
> there with an interest) sometime in the near future, as the 'press
> release' going out and about details:
>
> Shadowville Speedway, the 1st Dockery-Conley CD album nears completion.
>
> The final touches are being put on the Dockery-Conley CD album,
> "Shadowville Speedway"--- and the record is finally planned for
> release in April 2009, to coincide with the Hogbottom Music Festival
> (April 19th). Final mixes were completed at Larry Rose Studio Monday
> night, and the cover art, a black and white cartoon of Will Dockery
> and Henry Conley by George Sulzbach has been finished. Sulzbach, a
> childhood friend of Dockery, is an accomplished fine arts painter, and
> has intimate knowledge of Shadowville and its denzions and ilk, and
> captures this on the haunted comic strip faces of Dockery and Conley.
> The cover is a work of art suiatble for framing in its own right. The
> track listing is as follows:
>
> 1) "Wobble"
> 2) Truck Stop Woman
> 3) The Surgeon General
> 4) Twilight Girl
> 5) Sidewalk Spinner
> 6) Shadowville Speedway
> 7) Fade Away Encounter
> 8) Black and Blue Night
> 9) Hasty Pudding
> 10) Last Dream Today
> 11) Rag Picker Joe
> 12) Ozone Stigmata
> 13) All the time in the world
>
> Shadowville project 2007-2009
> All songs by Will Dockery/Henry Conley ©2009
> Except "Last Dream Today" by Will Dockery & Brian Mallard
> Recorded by Larry Rose Studio, Sept. & Dec. 2007 & Aug. 2008
> Engineered by Larry Rose
> Produced by Henry Conley
> Cover art by George Sulzbach
>
> Musicians:
>
> Will Dockery vocals on all tracks
> Henry Conley - Guitars on all tracks, backing vocals ( lead vocals
> track 7)
> John Phillips - Drums on all tracks
> Doug Conley - Bass guitar on tracks 1,2,3,4,8,9 Clarinet tracks
> 1,5,6,7,11
> Eileen D'esterno - Backing vocals on tracks 1,7,10,12
> Rick Edwards - Mandolin on track 1, Harmonica on tracks 3 & 9
> Riley Yielding - Trumpet on tracks 1,5,6,7,11
> Gene Woolfolk - Flute on tracks 2,4,8,10,12,13 Keyboard on track 12
> John Overstreet - Trombone on track 5, Euphonium on track 11
> Jim White - Bass guitar on tracks 5,6,7,11
> Jordan Beck - Bass guitar on tracks 10, 12 & 13
>
> A collector's lyric booklet will be made available soon for $2
> postpaid from:
> Will Dockery
> P.O. Box 7394
> Columbus Georgia 31909
>
> glad to hear this news.
>
> i would like the booklet as well.

The booklet should be out much sooner... this is the "insert" commonly found
in CDs, which I'm printing up in advance in order to "break up" the costs,
making the $$$ spent seem less painful. Print up the bookets, one bill to
pay, buy up the plastic "jewel" cases to stuff the booklets in, another,
then burn the discs, a third price to pay.

I hope to have the booklets ready as early as the next couple of weeks, so
I'll mail you one, after I get your snail mail address. Don't post that
here, though, unless you have a POBox or something I have a story from the
1980s on when I found out the problems of posting street addresses for the
general public... probably already in the archives.

Amusing, that George Sulzbach, the cover artists, keeps designing new front
covers for this, he did one with pencil, then ink, last night over about an
hour, the third one he's done, and, as usual, the best yet. Before I left
his place last night, he'd begun working on another!

The one he put out last night I think's the keeper, but now as he listens to
the advance "redbook" copy of the master I left him, he's thinking of doing
individual images to match each of the 13 songs... he draws gorgeous women
from his imagination -dreamgirls who may or may not exist somewhere- so I'm
interested in seeing how he interprets pieces like "Sidewalk Spinner" and
"Truck Stop Woman"... and he actually knew the main character of "Twilight
Girl" for 30+ years before her death... he used to call her the "Etherian".

> had to work a shit load of overtime this week

Hate it when that happens... I'm thinking of taking a few months off to just
wander around trying to sell CDs and looking for gigs to play, but that's
most likely just a pipedream (literally... heh).

> so the "trade" will go out first thing next week.

Good, and from the envelope I'll know where to send this little chapbook.

> thanks for the kind words about Yoda, my
> recently deseased cat friend.
> i don't think i want another quite yet, but
> thanks for offering. yoda is survived
> by chaco, my other cat.

Couple of interesting recent cat stories from here, which I may get back to
if time permits, but pretty much "the usual" type stories of the antics of
these beings from outer space or whatever universe they arrived from...

--
"Twilight Girl" and other song-poems by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Gary Yeomans
2009-01-19 06:40:56 UTC
Permalink
Hi Arti
Comments without listening

Structure
You have a 5 line part / Rhyme scheme AA BB X
Then a 3 line part/ Rhyme scheme AAA
Then a six line part/ AA X BB X

Each part is a different scansion

So it is totally unstructured. This is not the end of the world but it does
make it difficult to write an accessible song.

Line one is an old tired cliché find another way to say this if you can.

These thee lines are very good and that's why I'm writing a critique
" But when the rain falls down
and it doesn't make a sound
That's when you blame the way it fell."

The middle bit is not fresh.

I am looking for a lyrical hook in here and I keep going back to those three
lines.

I am thinking a progressive chorus.

You write a verse about rain
Then do the three lines you have.

You write the next verse about say "Hair" and do a
Seeming repetition of your first chorus just changed a bit.
For example
" But when her hair falls down
and she doesn't make a sound
That's when you blame the way it fell."

Use the rain and the hair as metaphors for something
And you got a song idea

Cheers

Gary




On 18/1/09 7:02 PM, in article FmBcl.48779$***@newsfe06.iad, "msifg"
<***@cox.net> wrote:

> Mary Jane
>
>
> If you could walk a mile in my shoes
> you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
> But when the rain falls down
> and it doesn't make a sound
> That's when you blame the way it fell.
>
> I don't have to chose
> if I've got nothing to lose.
> I'll just sing the blues.
>
> Goodbye Mary Jane.
> If I never see you again
> I hope you find what you're looking for.
> Your love was sweet,
> Swept me off my feet
> and carried me on.
>
>
> ArtiZnaam
> 2006
>
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
msifg
2009-01-19 09:12:08 UTC
Permalink
"Gary Yeomans" <***@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:C59A6B96.10F8%***@bigpond.com...
> Hi Arti
> Comments without listening
>
> Structure
> You have a 5 line part / Rhyme scheme AA BB X
> Then a 3 line part/ Rhyme scheme AAA
> Then a six line part/ AA X BB X
>
> Each part is a different scansion
>
> So it is totally unstructured. This is not the end of the world but it
> does
> make it difficult to write an accessible song.
>
> Line one is an old tired cliché find another way to say this if you can.
>
> These thee lines are very good and that's why I'm writing a critique
> " But when the rain falls down
> and it doesn't make a sound
> That's when you blame the way it fell."
>
> The middle bit is not fresh.
>
> I am looking for a lyrical hook in here and I keep going back to those
> three
> lines.
>
> I am thinking a progressive chorus.
>
> You write a verse about rain
> Then do the three lines you have.
>
> You write the next verse about say "Hair" and do a
> Seeming repetition of your first chorus just changed a bit.
> For example
> " But when her hair falls down
> and she doesn't make a sound
> That's when you blame the way it fell."
>
> Use the rain and the hair as metaphors for something
> And you got a song idea
>
> Cheers
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
> On 18/1/09 7:02 PM, in article FmBcl.48779$***@newsfe06.iad, "msifg"
> <***@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Mary Jane
>>
>>
>> If you could walk a mile in my shoes
>> you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
>> But when the rain falls down
>> and it doesn't make a sound
>> That's when you blame the way it fell.
>>
>> I don't have to chose
>> if I've got nothing to lose.
>> I'll just sing the blues.
>>
>> Goodbye Mary Jane.
>> If I never see you again
>> I hope you find what you're looking for.
>> Your love was sweet,
>> Swept me off my feet
>> and carried me on.
>>
>>
>> ArtiZnaam
>> 2006
>>
>>
>> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>>
>> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>>
>> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>>
>> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>


hi gary,

thanks for taking your time out to check out my lyrics
and leave feedback. i see you've made some critical
observations regarding theme and texture. i'll be using
them for the next song i write. as far as changing "mary jane,"
that's a possibility. however, i'm pretty sure it's a wrap.

i understand all of the pitfalls it trips over
as far as cliche and broken rhythm. in actuality,
it was my intention to convey that sense as the song
itself is attempting to climb into a world of hurt and
confusion.

now, if the meter is crap and the scansion simply sucks,
then it's a total failure. however, i'm betting they'll make
do and serve a quality purpose at a low quality level of
expertise.

regards,
matt
George Dance
2009-01-20 01:25:27 UTC
Permalink
On Jan 19, 4:12 am, "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
> "Gary Yeomans" <***@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>
> news:C59A6B96.10F8%***@bigpond.com...
>
>
>
> > Hi Arti
> > Comments without listening
>
> > Structure
> > You have a 5 line part / Rhyme scheme AA BB X
> > Then a 3 line part/ Rhyme scheme AAA
> > Then a six line part/ AA X BB X
>
> > Each part is a different scansion
>
> > So it is totally unstructured.  This is not the end of the world but it
> > does
> > make it difficult to write an accessible song.
>
> > Line one is an old tired cliché find another way to say this if you can.
>
> > These thee lines are very good and that's why I'm writing a critique
> > " But when the rain falls down
> > and it doesn't make a sound
> > That's when you blame the way it fell."
>
> > The middle bit is not fresh.
>
> > I am looking for a lyrical hook in here and I keep going back to those
> > three
> > lines.
>
> > I am thinking a progressive chorus.
>
> > You write a verse about rain
> > Then do the three lines you have.
>
> > You write the next verse about say "Hair" and do a
> > Seeming repetition of your first chorus just changed a bit.
> > For example
> > " But when her hair falls down
> > and she doesn't make a sound
> > That's when you blame the way it fell."
>
> > Use the rain and the hair as metaphors for something
> > And you got a song idea
>
> > Cheers
>
> > Gary
>
> > On 18/1/09 7:02 PM, in article FmBcl.48779$***@newsfe06.iad, "msifg"
> > <***@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >> Mary Jane
>
> >> If you could walk a mile in my shoes
> >> you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
> >> But when the rain falls down
> >> and it doesn't make a sound
> >> That's when you blame the way it fell.
>
> >> I don't have to chose
> >> if I've got nothing to lose.
> >> I'll just sing the blues.
>
> >> Goodbye Mary Jane.
> >> If I never see you again
> >> I hope you find what you're looking for.
> >> Your love was sweet,
> >> Swept me off my feet
> >> and carried me on.
>
> >> ArtiZnaam
> >> 2006
>
> >>http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >>http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >>http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >>http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> hi gary,
>
> thanks for taking your time out to check out my lyrics
> and leave feedback.  i see you've made some critical
> observations regarding theme and texture.  i'll be using
> them for the next song i write.  as far as changing "mary jane,"
> that's a possibility.  however, i'm pretty sure it's a wrap.
>
> i understand all of the pitfalls it trips over
> as far as cliche and broken rhythm.


Hey, hey, hey. There's nothing wrong with your rhythm. Yes, none of
your lines scan as poetry, but that's part of the difference between
poetry and song I was talking about; in song the music provides the
rhythm, and you can just stretch or clip syllables in your singing to
fit.

Here's one example that I've been wanting to get onto the group since
I thought of it. (It's the same theme as in the Donne poem Dennis
Hammes posted, and I wanted to give it as an example of saying it
shorter and sweeter; but then Dennis died, and putting it on after
that would've been tasteless.) From Bruce Cockburn's "Coldest Night of
the Year"

When two lovers love
There's nothing there,
But a suddenly compact universe
Of skin and breath and hair.

As Cockburn sings it, all those lines are the same length.


> in actuality,
> it was my intention to convey that sense as the song
> itself is attempting to climb into a world of hurt and
> confusion.
>
> now, if the meter is crap and the scansion simply sucks,
> then it's a total failure.  however, i'm betting they'll make
> do and serve a quality purpose at a low quality level of
> expertise.


Meter and scansion are important in poetry; far less so in song lyrics
(I mean, they have some importance; try singing to the tune of "Mary
Jane": "I've never heard of a word / like
supercalifragiliticexpialidocious") (sp). Gary was critiquing your
work as poetry.

A good poem, though, can be a powerful set of lyrics for a song. So
I'd like to see you learn some of that here. So (again) I'm glad
you're taking Gary's suggestions to heart for future writing.
msifg
2009-01-20 02:11:26 UTC
Permalink
"George Dance" <***@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:2d06f6f9-0e74-4c69-a45a-***@r40g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 19, 4:12 am, "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
> "Gary Yeomans" <***@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>
> news:C59A6B96.10F8%***@bigpond.com...
>
>
>
> > Hi Arti
> > Comments without listening
>
> > Structure
> > You have a 5 line part / Rhyme scheme AA BB X
> > Then a 3 line part/ Rhyme scheme AAA
> > Then a six line part/ AA X BB X
>
> > Each part is a different scansion
>
> > So it is totally unstructured. This is not the end of the world but it
> > does
> > make it difficult to write an accessible song.
>
> > Line one is an old tired cliché find another way to say this if you can.
>
> > These thee lines are very good and that's why I'm writing a critique
> > " But when the rain falls down
> > and it doesn't make a sound
> > That's when you blame the way it fell."
>
> > The middle bit is not fresh.
>
> > I am looking for a lyrical hook in here and I keep going back to those
> > three
> > lines.
>
> > I am thinking a progressive chorus.
>
> > You write a verse about rain
> > Then do the three lines you have.
>
> > You write the next verse about say "Hair" and do a
> > Seeming repetition of your first chorus just changed a bit.
> > For example
> > " But when her hair falls down
> > and she doesn't make a sound
> > That's when you blame the way it fell."
>
> > Use the rain and the hair as metaphors for something
> > And you got a song idea
>
> > Cheers
>
> > Gary
>
> > On 18/1/09 7:02 PM, in article FmBcl.48779$***@newsfe06.iad,
> > "msifg"
> > <***@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >> Mary Jane
>
> >> If you could walk a mile in my shoes
> >> you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
> >> But when the rain falls down
> >> and it doesn't make a sound
> >> That's when you blame the way it fell.
>
> >> I don't have to chose
> >> if I've got nothing to lose.
> >> I'll just sing the blues.
>
> >> Goodbye Mary Jane.
> >> If I never see you again
> >> I hope you find what you're looking for.
> >> Your love was sweet,
> >> Swept me off my feet
> >> and carried me on.
>
> >> ArtiZnaam
> >> 2006
>
> >>http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >>http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >>http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >>http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> hi gary,
>
> thanks for taking your time out to check out my lyrics
> and leave feedback. i see you've made some critical
> observations regarding theme and texture. i'll be using
> them for the next song i write. as far as changing "mary jane,"
> that's a possibility. however, i'm pretty sure it's a wrap.
>
> i understand all of the pitfalls it trips over
> as far as cliche and broken rhythm.


Hey, hey, hey. There's nothing wrong with your rhythm. Yes, none of
your lines scan as poetry, but that's part of the difference between
poetry and song I was talking about; in song the music provides the
rhythm, and you can just stretch or clip syllables in your singing to
fit.

Here's one example that I've been wanting to get onto the group since
I thought of it. (It's the same theme as in the Donne poem Dennis
Hammes posted, and I wanted to give it as an example of saying it
shorter and sweeter; but then Dennis died, and putting it on after
that would've been tasteless.) From Bruce Cockburn's "Coldest Night of
the Year"

When two lovers love
There's nothing there,
But a suddenly compact universe
Of skin and breath and hair.

As Cockburn sings it, all those lines are the same length.


> in actuality,
> it was my intention to convey that sense as the song
> itself is attempting to climb into a world of hurt and
> confusion.
>
> now, if the meter is crap and the scansion simply sucks,
> then it's a total failure. however, i'm betting they'll make
> do and serve a quality purpose at a low quality level of
> expertise.


Meter and scansion are important in poetry; far less so in song lyrics
(I mean, they have some importance; try singing to the tune of "Mary
Jane": "I've never heard of a word / like
supercalifragiliticexpialidocious") (sp). Gary was critiquing your
work as poetry.



A good poem, though, can be a powerful set of lyrics for a song. So
I'd like to see you learn some of that here. So (again) I'm glad
you're taking Gary's suggestions to heart for future writing.



*i checked out your troilet suggestions.
nothing clicked for me.

i've written a couple sestinas for this group.

i've also tried my hand at iambic quatrimeter in quatrains
for this group.

i understand basic scansion. i go by ear most of the time.
dennis got me motivated to exchange limerick insults. those
were fun and i learned. however, i had to see his before i
got inspired to go for one of my own. it's like i said: i go
by ear. i'm that way musically as well.

if somebody introduces a meter to the group, like you did
with the troilets, i either bite or not.

that's what was great about dennis:
he inspired people to go for different styles by constantly
posting POEMS instead of bullshit pissing matches. that's what
made him special. even his pissing matches were poems.

anyway, we'll figure it out. i'm here for as long as it takes
to make something constructive. i'm more than willing to say
goodbye to the piss wars. now, if they're done in poetry, that's
another subject. again, that was dennis.

i really do miss him.
George Dance
2009-01-20 03:03:31 UTC
Permalink
On Jan 19, 9:11 pm, "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
> "George Dance" <***@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:2d06f6f9-0e74-4c69-a45a-***@r40g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 19, 4:12 am, "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Gary Yeomans" <***@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:C59A6B96.10F8%***@bigpond.com...
>
> > > Hi Arti
> > > Comments without listening
>
> > > Structure
> > > You have a 5 line part / Rhyme scheme AA BB X
> > > Then a 3 line part/ Rhyme scheme AAA
> > > Then a six line part/ AA X BB X
>
> > > Each part is a different scansion
>
> > > So it is totally unstructured. This is not the end of the world but it
> > > does
> > > make it difficult to write an accessible song.
>
> > > Line one is an old tired cliché find another way to say this if you can.
>
> > > These thee lines are very good and that's why I'm writing a critique
> > > " But when the rain falls down
> > > and it doesn't make a sound
> > > That's when you blame the way it fell."
>
> > > The middle bit is not fresh.
>
> > > I am looking for a lyrical hook in here and I keep going back to those
> > > three
> > > lines.
>
> > > I am thinking a progressive chorus.
>
> > > You write a verse about rain
> > > Then do the three lines you have.
>
> > > You write the next verse about say "Hair" and do a
> > > Seeming repetition of your first chorus just changed a bit.
> > > For example
> > > " But when her hair falls down
> > > and she doesn't make a sound
> > > That's when you blame the way it fell."
>
> > > Use the rain and the hair as metaphors for something
> > > And you got a song idea
>
> > > Cheers
>
> > > Gary
>
> > > On 18/1/09 7:02 PM, in article FmBcl.48779$***@newsfe06.iad,
> > > "msifg"
> > > <***@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > >> Mary Jane
>
> > >> If you could walk a mile in my shoes
> > >> you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
> > >> But when the rain falls down
> > >> and it doesn't make a sound
> > >> That's when you blame the way it fell.
>
> > >> I don't have to chose
> > >> if I've got nothing to lose.
> > >> I'll just sing the blues.
>
> > >> Goodbye Mary Jane.
> > >> If I never see you again
> > >> I hope you find what you're looking for.
> > >> Your love was sweet,
> > >> Swept me off my feet
> > >> and carried me on.
>
> > >> ArtiZnaam
> > >> 2006
>
> > >>http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> > >>http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> > >>http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> > >>http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> > hi gary,
>
> > thanks for taking your time out to check out my lyrics
> > and leave feedback. i see you've made some critical
> > observations regarding theme and texture. i'll be using
> > them for the next song i write. as far as changing "mary jane,"
> > that's a possibility. however, i'm pretty sure it's a wrap.
>
> > i understand all of the pitfalls it trips over
> > as far as cliche and broken rhythm.
>
> Hey, hey, hey. There's nothing wrong with your rhythm. Yes, none of
> your lines scan as poetry, but that's part of the difference between
> poetry and song I was talking about; in song the music provides the
> rhythm, and you can just stretch or clip syllables in your singing to
> fit.
>
> Here's one example that I've been wanting to get onto the group since
> I thought of it. (It's the same theme as in the Donne poem Dennis
> Hammes posted, and I wanted to give it as an example of saying it
> shorter and sweeter; but then Dennis died, and putting it on after
> that would've been tasteless.) From Bruce Cockburn's "Coldest Night of
> the Year"
>
> When two lovers love
> There's nothing there,
> But a suddenly compact universe
> Of skin and breath and hair.
>
> As Cockburn sings it, all those lines are the same length.
>
> > in actuality,
> > it was my intention to convey that sense as the song
> > itself is attempting to climb into a world of hurt and
> > confusion.
>
> > now, if the meter is crap and the scansion simply sucks,
> > then it's a total failure. however, i'm betting they'll make
> > do and serve a quality purpose at a low quality level of
> > expertise.
>
> Meter and scansion are important in poetry; far less so in song lyrics
> (I mean, they have some importance; try singing to the tune of "Mary
> Jane": "I've never heard of a word / like
> supercalifragiliticexpialidocious") (sp).  Gary was critiquing your
> work as poetry.
>
> A good poem, though, can be a powerful set of lyrics for a song. So
> I'd like to see you learn some of that here. So (again) I'm glad
> you're taking Gary's suggestions to heart for future writing.
>
> *i checked out your troilet suggestions.
> nothing clicked for me.
>
> i've written a couple sestinas for this group.
>
> i've also tried my hand at iambic quatrimeter in quatrains
>  for this group.
>
> i understand basic scansion.  i go by ear most of the time.
> dennis got me motivated to exchange limerick insults.  those
> were fun and i learned.  however, i had to see his before i
> got inspired to go for one of my own.  it's like i said: i go
> by ear.  i'm that way musically as well.
>
> if somebody introduces a meter to the group, like you did
> with the troilets, i either bite or not.
>
> that's what was great about dennis:
> he inspired people to go for different styles by constantly
> posting POEMS instead of bullshit pissing matches.  that's what
> made him special.  even his pissing matches were poems.
>
> anyway, we'll figure it out.  i'm here for as long as it takes
> to make something constructive.  i'm more than willing to say
> goodbye to the piss wars.  now, if they're done in poetry, that's
> another subject.  again, that was dennis.
>
> i really do miss him.


Well, I'm not him, but:

There was a songwriter, quite odd,
Whose critics would ride him roughshod
With sallies unkind;
But he didn't mind,
Because he thought his shit was from God.
Richard Heathfield
2009-01-20 06:00:22 UTC
Permalink
msifg said:

<snip>
>
> that's what was great about dennis:
> he inspired people to go for different styles by constantly
> posting POEMS instead of bullshit pissing matches. that's what
> made him special. even his pissing matches were poems.

I never knew the man you miss,
The man you mourn.
I never heard his mocking hiss,
His laugh of scorn.

I never read his articles,
His prose - and worse,
I never saw his canticles,
His skill in verse.

I never saw his metric style,
His trochee feet,
His pentametric syllabile,
His poetreat.

And now I never will, for he
Will no more scan,
Until the day he'll rise, to see
The great Iamb.

--
Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk>
Email: -http://www. +rjh@
Google users: <http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/writings/googly.php>
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
msifg
2009-01-20 11:30:07 UTC
Permalink
"Richard Heathfield" <***@see.sig.invalid> wrote in message
news:yaOdnYOVVsHU-***@bt.com...
> msifg said:
>
> <snip>
>>
>> that's what was great about dennis:
>> he inspired people to go for different styles by constantly
>> posting POEMS instead of bullshit pissing matches. that's what
>> made him special. even his pissing matches were poems.
>
> I never knew the man you miss,
> The man you mourn.
> I never heard his mocking hiss,
> His laugh of scorn.
>
> I never read his articles,
> His prose - and worse,
> I never saw his canticles,
> His skill in verse.
>
> I never saw his metric style,
> His trochee feet,
> His pentametric syllabile,
> His poetreat.
>
> And now I never will, for he
> Will no more scan,
> Until the day he'll rise, to see
> The great Iamb.
>
> --
> Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk>
> Email: -http://www. +rjh@
> Google users: <http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/writings/googly.php>
> "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999


haha-
thanks for sharing, richard.
it did the usenet legend, dennis m. hammes, justice.
Gary Yeomans
2009-01-20 05:42:51 UTC
Permalink
>>
>>> Mary Jane
>>>
>>>
>>> If you could walk a mile in my shoes
>>> you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
>>> But when the rain falls down
>>> and it doesn't make a sound
>>> That's when you blame the way it fell.
>>>
>>> I don't have to chose
>>> if I've got nothing to lose.
>>> I'll just sing the blues.
>>>
>>> Goodbye Mary Jane.
>>> If I never see you again
>>> I hope you find what you're looking for.
>>> Your love was sweet,
>>> Swept me off my feet
>>> and carried me on.
>>>
>>>
>>> ArtiZnaam
>>> 2006
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>>>
>>> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>>>
>>> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>>>
>>> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>>
>
>
> hi gary,
>
> thanks for taking your time out to check out my lyrics
> and leave feedback. i see you've made some critical
> observations regarding theme and texture. i'll be using
> them for the next song i write. as far as changing "mary jane,"
> that's a possibility. however, i'm pretty sure it's a wrap.
>
> i understand all of the pitfalls it trips over
> as far as cliche and broken rhythm. in actuality,
> it was my intention to convey that sense as the song
> itself is attempting to climb into a world of hurt and
> confusion.
>
> now, if the meter is crap and the scansion simply sucks,
> then it's a total failure. however, i'm betting they'll make
> do and serve a quality purpose at a low quality level of
> expertise.
>
> regards,
> matt
>
Hi Matt

Just to clear up a point.

I'm not saying the meter is crap, I'm saying it's different in every bit, it
is not consistent or structured.

I am critiquing it as a lyric, not as a poem, there is nothing wrong with
the scansion of each part. For example I can sing the Goodbye Mary Jane bit
to Yellow brick road.

All it is is you have three totally different parts.

Which you are quite entitled to do, it just makes it harder for Joe public
To get your song when he expecting one of these three formats.
An AA song EG Hard rain
An ABAB song EG somewhere over the rainbow
An ACACBC song EG most common verse chorus etc then bridge chorus

Cheers

Gary

http://www.soundclick.com/garyyeomans
msifg
2009-01-20 11:17:21 UTC
Permalink
"Gary Yeomans" <***@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:C59BAF78.1117%***@bigpond.com...
>
>
>
>
>>>
>>>> Mary Jane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you could walk a mile in my shoes
>>>> you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
>>>> But when the rain falls down
>>>> and it doesn't make a sound
>>>> That's when you blame the way it fell.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have to chose
>>>> if I've got nothing to lose.
>>>> I'll just sing the blues.
>>>>
>>>> Goodbye Mary Jane.
>>>> If I never see you again
>>>> I hope you find what you're looking for.
>>>> Your love was sweet,
>>>> Swept me off my feet
>>>> and carried me on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ArtiZnaam
>>>> 2006
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>>>>
>>>> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>>>>
>>>> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>>>>
>>>> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>>>
>>
>>
>> hi gary,
>>
>> thanks for taking your time out to check out my lyrics
>> and leave feedback. i see you've made some critical
>> observations regarding theme and texture. i'll be using
>> them for the next song i write. as far as changing "mary jane,"
>> that's a possibility. however, i'm pretty sure it's a wrap.
>>
>> i understand all of the pitfalls it trips over
>> as far as cliche and broken rhythm. in actuality,
>> it was my intention to convey that sense as the song
>> itself is attempting to climb into a world of hurt and
>> confusion.
>>
>> now, if the meter is crap and the scansion simply sucks,
>> then it's a total failure. however, i'm betting they'll make
>> do and serve a quality purpose at a low quality level of
>> expertise.
>>
>> regards,
>> matt
>>
> Hi Matt
>
> Just to clear up a point.
>
> I'm not saying the meter is crap, I'm saying it's different in every bit,
> it
> is not consistent or structured.
>
> I am critiquing it as a lyric, not as a poem, there is nothing wrong with
> the scansion of each part. For example I can sing the Goodbye Mary Jane
> bit
> to Yellow brick road.
>
> All it is is you have three totally different parts.
>
> Which you are quite entitled to do, it just makes it harder for Joe public
> To get your song when he expecting one of these three formats.
> An AA song EG Hard rain
> An ABAB song EG somewhere over the rainbow
> An ACACBC song EG most common verse chorus etc then bridge chorus
>
> Cheers
>
> Gary
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/garyyeomans
>
>


cool!
thanks.

got a chance to listen to your stuff.

you rock!!!

regards,
matt
Gary Yeomans
2009-01-21 06:29:09 UTC
Permalink
On 20/1/09 10:17 PM, in article Woidl.127$***@newsfe08.iad, "msifg"
<***@cox.net> wrote:


>
>
> cool!
> thanks.
>
> got a chance to listen to your stuff.
>
> you rock!!!
>
> regards,
> matt
>

Thanks for having a listen and the nice compliment

Cheers

Gary

http://www.soundclick.com/garyyeomans
Will Dockery
2009-01-19 09:25:56 UTC
Permalink
On Jan 19, 1:40 am, Gary Yeomans <***@bigpond.com> wrote:
> Hi Arti
> Comments without listening
>
> Structure
> You have a 5 line part / Rhyme scheme AA BB X
> Then a 3 line part/ Rhyme scheme AAA
> Then a six line part/ AA X BB X
>
> Each part is a different scansion
>
> So it is totally unstructured.  This is not the end of the world but it does
> make it difficult to write an accessible song.
>
> Line one is an old tired cliché find another way to say this if you can.
>
> These thee lines are very good and that's why I'm writing a critique
> " But when the rain falls down
> and it doesn't make a sound
> That's when you blame the way it fell."

Hey, those are some good lines. I look forward to hearing this one.

> The middle bit is not fresh.
>
> I am looking for a lyrical hook in here and I keep going back to those three
> lines.
>
> I am thinking a progressive chorus.
>
> You write a verse about rain
> Then do the three lines you have.
>
> You write the next verse about say "Hair" and do a
> Seeming repetition of your first chorus just changed a bit.
> For example
> " But when her hair falls down
> and she doesn't make a sound
> That's when you blame the way it fell."
>
> Use the rain and the hair as metaphors for something
> And you got a song idea
>
> Cheers
>
> Gary
>
> On 18/1/09 7:02 PM, in article FmBcl.48779$***@newsfe06.iad, "msifg"<***@cox.net> wrote:
> > Mary Jane
>
> > If you could walk a mile in my shoes
> > you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
> > But when the rain falls down
> > and it doesn't make a sound
> > That's when you blame the way it fell.
>
> > I don't have to chose
> > if I've got nothing to lose.
> > I'll just sing the blues.
>
> > Goodbye Mary Jane.
> > If I never see you again
> > I hope you find what you're looking for.
> > Your love was sweet,
> > Swept me off my feet
> > and carried me on.
>
> > ArtiZnaam
> > 2006
>
> >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
ChristianKnight
2009-01-30 10:19:05 UTC
Permalink
On Jan 18, 9:02 pm, "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
> Mary Jane
>
> If you could walk a mile in my shoes
> you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
> But when the rain falls down
> and it doesn't make a sound
> That's when you blame the way it fell.
>
> I don't have to chose
> if I've got nothing to lose.
> I'll just sing the blues.
>
> Goodbye Mary Jane.
> If I never see you again
> I hope you find what you're looking for.
> Your love was sweet,
> Swept me off my feet
> and carried me on.
>
> ArtiZnaam
> 2006
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425

Cool Poem and good that your harmonising .
Enjoyed the guitar from the left speaker and the voice from the right
and the other sounds were pretty neat to.
Christ's love
msifg
2009-01-30 11:51:55 UTC
Permalink
"ChristianKnight" <***@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:4f5901bb-cb46-40e7-9197-***@40g2000prx.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 18, 9:02 pm, "msifg" <***@cox.net> wrote:
> Mary Jane
>
> If you could walk a mile in my shoes
> you might feel like you have nothing to lose.
> But when the rain falls down
> and it doesn't make a sound
> That's when you blame the way it fell.
>
> I don't have to chose
> if I've got nothing to lose.
> I'll just sing the blues.
>
> Goodbye Mary Jane.
> If I never see you again
> I hope you find what you're looking for.
> Your love was sweet,
> Swept me off my feet
> and carried me on.
>
> ArtiZnaam
> 2006
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=608425

Cool Poem and good that your harmonising .
Enjoyed the guitar from the left speaker and the voice from the right
and the other sounds were pretty neat to.
Christ's love


haha-
thanks for checking it all out.
i like that the guitar from the left and the voice from
the right worked.

actually, my inept engineering abilities contributed
to that primitive stereo effect trick.

i finally figured out where the equalizer was in
my br864 digital eight track.

now i have cakewalk/sonar5 up and running.

on to figuring out how to use the dang thing.
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