On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:30:12 AM UTC-4, David Dalton
Then is early spring 1995 Ariane put me on the guest list
for Shane MacGowan and The Popes with The Paperboys
opening, at The Commodore Ballroom, and that is
where the elbow pulling incident occurred. And it
was no ordinary touch, but similar to that described in
"There was a time you put your hand on the small of my back I was
surprised
that you touched me like that
But there in your hand was a current of life
I could hardly stand.”
It was an electric, warming, compatible touch, but I didn’t
realize it was her until after the later stare incident occurred,
since she ran off so fast.
Wait a second...
She allegedly pulled your elbow.
She then wrote a song about someone (unidentified in the lyric) putting
his
hand on the small of her back.
Huh, I said that the lyrics about the small of the back were by
The Weather Station, not by Sarah, but that it was a similar
electric, warming, compatible touch. You are not a very
good reader, and seem to be a contrarian.
I'm a very good reader, David. I just don't have any knowledge of pop music
(post 1964). I don't know a thing about Sarah McLachlan. I googled her to
see
who you were talking about, and found the information about her stalker on
Wikipedia. I assumed that the "Weather Station" was either Sarah's album or
band.
Now you're saying that some band that wasn't connected with Sarah wrote a
lyric about a man placing his hand on the small of a woman's back, and that
this is a secret reference to Sarah's having pulled your elbow?
I didn’t say it was a reference to the elbow touch. I said it
was a similar touch, this time between a bim and a
straight-type-2-F, whereas Sarah and I are a bif and
a straight-type-2-M.
Apart from being a touch (and touches are very common occurrences), why
should Weather Station's lyric be about Sarah touching you?
They aren’t, they are about a similar Touch.
1) You wrote about Sarah in a fan group.
2) A friend of hers *may* have brought some of your posts to her attention.
Obviously she did, based on Sarah’s behaviour towards me
in the spring of 1995.
1) It isn't obvious to me.
2) AFAICS Sarah's only "behavior" was to stare back (if she even was staring)
at someone who was staring at her.
No, I did not initiate the stare. I was coming back from the
washroom and she was standing near the bar and directly
faced me and stared at me as if I was her long lost lover.
3) One night at a bar someone pulled your elbow, but you didn't see who it
was.
I saw her from behind, and my memory of the incident later
was consistent with it being her.
If you only saw her from behind, she might not have even been in the bar. And
your memory of being pulled would be just as consistent if applied to anyone
else who was in the bar.
IMHO, people don't pull on the elbows of strangers (or even of friends). I
suspect that someone caught their jacket or purse on you as they passed. In
any case, the "pulling" would have been accidental.
No, I was on some steps off to the side in a rapidly emptying
bar, and she came up behind me and palmed my right
elbow from behind and pulled it to the left, causing me
to look to the left, and she ran off to the right. Again it
was a warming, electric, compatible Touch, and was
most definitely not accidental.
How can you be sure that Sarah simply wasn't lost in thought and completely
unaware of what her eyes appeared to be "staring" at?
She wasn’t sitting down, she was planted standing about a metre
away from me near the bar, full frontal, no doubt.
I mentioned the songs Sweet Surrender and I Love You.
Other references that may have been to me in her lyrics
1. I Will Remember You (IWRY)
"But once there was a darkness, deep and endless night
You gave me everything you had, oh you gave me light”
which indicated that my playful writing brought her out
of depression, like Jesus casting demons out of
Mary Magdalene.
2. Do What You Have To Do
"And I have the sense to recognize
That I don’t know how to let you go
Every moment marked with apparitions of your soul
I’m ever swiftly moving, trying to escape this desire
<snip>
A glowing ember
Burning hot and burning slow
Deep within, I’m shaken by the violence
Of existing for only you”
3. Adia
"Adia I’m empty since you left me trying to find a way to carry on
I search myself and everyone
to see where we went wrong”
(written after I left Vancouver at the end of 1995,
and note that on the FTE list I referred to her as
S quite often and myself as D at times, and in
the song at times she says “A D” for Adia).
4. Building a Mystery
(written after I wrote her a long letter that later served as
a first draft for my Salmon on the Thorns web page)
"Oh you’re so beautiful
A beautiful fucked up man
You’re setting up your
Razor wire shrine
‘Cause you’re working
Building a mystery
Holding on, holding it in
Oh yeah you’re working
Building a mystery
And choosing so carefully”
(so that one was less complimentary. And when she
did the song at a September 10, 2004 concert in
Vancouver that I attended, when she said
“beautiful fucked-up man” she looked in my
direction, and I had posted my seat number to
alt.music.s-mclachlan.)
5. Illusions of Bliss
“ ‘Cause it’s you who released me
It’s you who gave me fire
Oh, and now it’s impossible to grow
Without breaking stride, I get so high
Take me out beyond the incline
Make it past the former fault line
For today I let the moment win
Here I go again, saying things I shouldn’t say
Just so I can hear them back from you”
which references my Earth Sciences background,
and again my releasing her from depression.
6. Monsters
"And don’t you know that there’s a wolf stalking in sheep’s
clothing tells me he’s the real thing
Think what your life would be missing
if you didn’t have him to sing
To sing about”
Which references my claim to be similar to The Lamb,
and I guess that I may have been guilty of a little
e-stalking, and that she has sung about me.
The above six, and Sweet Surrender and I Love You
that I quoted from earlier, are all from after the
Fumbling Towards Ecstasy album, so within the
period when she may have been aware of me. But
I also fulfilled prophecies made by her in some of
her earlier songs, especially in my 1991 sun stare, naked
thorn hill climb, and blue rose vision, which I
didn’t discuss online much until late 1996 and 1997,
but I think she was aware of the sun stare.
And I think that she has prophetic dreams ability.
Also at her Sunflower Sunday concert I spread my
arms wide and then cast them towards her, and I
think she saw me and felt something (I later
mentioned it in a review that I posted, which is
on my home page, as is a picture of me with
her on stage on November 14, 2014, which
she wouldn’t have done if she considered me
a stalker).
Also on the night of January 29, 1995, shortly before
new moon, I sent a factor 100 (where 10 is excellent)
kundalini antenna orgasm wave from Vancouver to
her and Crystal (who I had not seen, so it may not have
gone to her) then in New Zealand, and I think she
felt it. Weeks later I received a similar wave that
I think was from her, though at the time I joked that
it may have been from a blue whale near Hawaii.
Also some mystic blocks associated with me including
against recognition of my presence in the artwork of
others, and against my having romantic involvement
with Sarah, have supposedly been lifted, so I hope
you will re-evaluate your position.
--
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"For she is the perfect creature, natural in every feature
And I am the geek with the alchemists' stone" (Jimmy MacCarthy)